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Charlie Kirk shot at UVU event

fishonjazz said:
My wife was asking why this particular shooting was the one that got people so passionate and at first I couldn't think of why.

Then it hit me. We saw the bullet enter his neck and blood gush out and watched him slump over as if dead.

Maybe if we all watched a man dressed as a cop knock on the door of Melissa Hortman and shoot her, her husband and her dog at point blank range and saw the blood gush and the life leave their bodies then we would care more.

Maybe if we all watched the bullets entering the elementary school kids bodies and saw the blood gush and saw the life leave the children's bodies then maybe we would care more.

Instead no one really cares all the much. I see much more passionate discussions on Facebook in the last few days than I ever did for any murdered children.

Any thoughts?
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No, that's it. Same reason Ray Rice got a harsher sentence for his domestic abuse, it was on camera.
 
Sorry if this has been posted already.

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Charlie Kirk Suspect’s Grandma Says Family Is All MAGA

Tyler Robinson, 22, the man arrested in connection with the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk, comes from a MAGA family, his grandmother has revealed. Although MAGA figureheads have been quick to point fingers at the left for Kirk’s death, Tyler’s grandmother, Debbie Robinson...
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fishonjazz said:
My wife was asking why this particular shooting was the one that got people so passionate and at first I couldn't think of why.

Then it hit me. We saw the bullet enter his neck and blood gush out and watched him slump over as if dead.

Maybe if we all watched a man dressed as a cop knock on the door of Melissa Hortman and shoot her, her husband and her dog at point blank range and saw the blood gush and the life leave their bodies then we would care more.

Maybe if we all watched the bullets entering the elementary school kids bodies and saw the blood gush and saw the life leave the children's bodies then maybe we would care more.

Instead no one really cares all the much. I see much more passionate discussions on Facebook in the last few days than I ever did for any murdered children.

Any thoughts?
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Damn, you talking about seeing the children actually die really hit me. It would change my entire life to see something like that.. I hope I never have to see anything even close to that. I haven't seen the footage of Kirk getting shot. I actively avoid that kind of stuff.

I think you make a really good point. I also think that's not all of it. For a lot of people it was "their guy" and that is why it hurts so much.
 
fishonjazz said:
My wife was asking why this particular shooting was the one that got people so passionate and at first I couldn't think of why.

Then it hit me. We saw the bullet enter his neck and blood gush out and watched him slump over as if dead.

Maybe if we all watched a man dressed as a cop knock on the door of Melissa Hortman and shoot her, her husband and her dog at point blank range and saw the blood gush and the life leave their bodies then we would care more.

Maybe if we all watched the bullets entering the elementary school kids bodies and saw the blood gush and saw the life leave the children's bodies then maybe we would care more.

Instead no one really cares all the much. I see much more passionate discussions on Facebook in the last few days than I ever did for any murdered children.

Any thoughts?
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I agree. People need to see the grim reality of gun violence. For many people if its out of sight its out of mind. Unfortunately, I do think people needs to see kids die for it to finally sink in.

Look at Palestine. Children and innocent people are getting their bodies blown apart on a daily basis without a single moment of silence from the people currently outraged over Charlie. This outrage should be applied to other acts of violence as well not just when their favorite podcaster is the victim.

Also, I think specifically Utahns can be quite naive and they are struggling with the fact this could happen in Utah County of all places.
 
One of the reasons I got rid of Facebook is because I realized I'm a lot like Charlie Kirk. He goes around arguing with strangers and trying to win those arguments with his truth.

On Facebook I would go around arguing with strangers trying to win with my truth.

But he was getting rich off his arguing. And he often had a big fan club cheering section at his arguments that would cheer everything he said and boo and laugh at Charlie's opponent when Charlie humiliated them.

I didn't make any money from my arguing and remained poor and had no cheering section. I argued with people using my real name and profile and realized that I was putting myself and my family in danger of getting killed. I often had people say horrible violent things to me. Pretty easy to use google to find out where someone lives.
 
Charlie was also one of the best debaters around. Very intelligent and very good at what he did. He knew there was little chance of him losing a debate and was surrounded by security.

It's like if LeBron went around to colleges and challenger college players to one on one games.
 
Even after it comes out that the family of the shooter was MAGA and the shooter was influenced by Nick Fuentes, the MAGA machine and its adherents blame it all on Democrats, pushing for blood. Everything coming from the right is now put in the context of "war" and "fight" between "us and them". These people are so brainwashed Trump could argue the earth is flat and half of them would fight for the fact.
 
Telling to see things presented as the “better angels of our nature” vs. the “darker angels of our nature”. That represents the core of my objection to Trump from day one: he consistently appeals to the “darker angels of our nature”. From the day he came down the escalator in 2015 and created “the other”, in the form of undocumented human beings from Mexico.

On day one, in other words, he appealed to “our darker angels”.

How any empathic human being can possibly identify objections to such appeals by Trump as something they called TDS will always appear arse backwards to me. That is not TDS. That is simply knowing what is right and what is wrong. The ability to recognize what is right and what is wrong has somehow been stigmatized as a form of derangement.

In fact, maybe nothing shows how f***** up MAGA really is than equating knowing right from wrong as derangement!!

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Utah’s Governor Almost Seemed Like He Was Speaking to Trump

Spencer Cox delivered a plea for calm and conciliation that contrasted heavily with the president’s remarks this week.
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One small relief in an awful week is that Utah Governor Spencer Cox was the man leading the official response to Charlie Kirk’s assassination. In any other state, local politicians might have either become targets for President Donald Trump or leapt to inflame the situation. But the Beehive State’s governor is perhaps the most consistent voice of calm and conciliation in the GOP.

Cox’s impulse to appeal to what Abraham Lincoln called the “better angels of our nature” was on display this morning in a press conference, where, flanked by FBI Director Kash Patel and local leaders, he announced the arrest of Tyler Robinson, the suspect in Kirk’s killing, on Wednesday.

“This is certainly about the tragic death, political assassination of Charlie Kirk. But it is also much bigger than an attack on an individual,” Cox said. “It is an attack on all of us. It is an attack on the American experiment. It is an attack on our ideals. This cuts to the very foundation of who we are, of who we have been, and who we could be in better times.”

This kind of language was once common among mainstream politicians responding to a tragedy; now Cox is a notable and praiseworthy outlier in his own party. Trump’s response has been mercurial. At times, the president has seemed to call for a calm, measured reaction to the shooting. “He was an advocate of nonviolence,” Trump saidof Kirk on Thursday. “That’s the way I’d like to see people respond.” In the next breath, however, he cast blame and demanded forceful reprisal. During Cox’s remarks this morning, the governor seemed almost to be trying to speak to Trump—or at least to those who might be swayed by his rhetoric.

“We have radical-left lunatics out there, and we just have to beat the hell out of them,” Trump said yesterday.

“To my young friends out there, you are inheriting a country where politics feels like rage,” Cox lamented. “It feels like rage is the only option.”

“My administration will find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence,” Trump said in a brief speech Wednesday night, “including the organizations that fund it and support it, as well as those who go after our judges, law-enforcement officials, and everyone else who brings order to our country.”

And here’s Cox today: “There is one person responsible for what happened here, and that person is now in custody and will be charged soon and will be held accountable.”
 
str8line said:
Even after it comes out that the family of the shooter was MAGA and the shooter was influenced by Nick Fuentes, the MAGA machine and its adherents blame it all on Democrats, pushing for blood. Everything coming from the right is now put in the context of "war" and "fight" between "us and them". These people are so brainwashed Trump could argue the earth is flat and half of them would fight for the fact.
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Man I saw some of his wife's speech. Seemed to be a lot of "we will never surrender! We will fight even harder and be even louder!" Etc and very little "we need to calm down as a country and dial down the hate and come together" etc. in fact I didn't see any of the latter but I didn't watch it all so maybe I missed it.
 
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