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[Stoked]

I understand how you;re trying to process this within the law. Good on you, but I find it cowardly. Sorry to offend, I know I am, but I have to. My conscience does not allow for even the tiniest acceptance of this type of speech, after all we've been through. I will not tolerate it, I will not allow it to victimize me or anyone else, and I will fight (non-violently) those who try to carve out any piece of society for these mongrels.

It's not cowardly at all. Not even remotely. But I can see how it looks that way.

As for the bold, good!!! Supporting free speech does not mean maintaining silence or feigning agreement. Far from it. It means speaking your mind IMO. YOu (generally speaking) do not have to accept it. I have spoken up before, forcibly, and will so again when I encounter this disgust irl.

But if they are marching, holding a rally or whatever I will not try to shut it down by violence. If I am there I will chant, hold signs, protest and contest but non violently. I won't start the fight. Now if they instigate the violence than I will defend myself.

This is where I feel Trump went wrong, was there violence at this protest? Absolutely. But I feel that in this case it was started by only one side. Then further escalated by that side with the car attack. He should have called them out by name the first time.

Attempts to calm down the growing trend can come later.

 

[vlad tepes]

After reading most of the thread's messages to my wallachian people and based on the old eatern-european medicine tradition and the opinions of our beloved long bearded orthodox priests we came to the next conclusion :

- this board suffers from vaginatis :
- vaginatis is a socially deadly disease caused from the lack of eating red animal meat (we have plenty in our refrigerators, especially bear meat). it is characterized by the manifestation of sores on the skin in the form of tiny vaginas. if it remains untreated the patient may turn into a giant walking [edit].
other symptoms include: hugging trees, joining cults of vaeritas equitas, hypocrisy, visiting art galleries and park statues, playing guitar on the sidewalk, becoming a bichy sluut or an annoying a-hole.

also special greetings jazzfanz, from our spy disguised as a tranny pinko :

'' from Seattle with love''

signed Boris The Soviet Love Hammer

P.S. please read this message out loud in a Borath accent ! thanks

 

[BabyPeterzz]

And who gets to choose what's ok to say and what isn't? Surely you can see the trouble that brings.

I realize there's a slippery slope, possibly. But this is different. This is about our very soul as a nation. It's in the hands of the people, and we must stand up to the challenge, instead of looking for excuses not to.

 

[Harambe]

I'm just saying that it doesn't have to lead to violence. We shouldn't promote it. We don't need to accept it.

There's no simple way to answer your question, it's nuanced. Have the people saying they lost their country actually lost it? Have the people saying they're not getting a fair shake actually getting g a fair shake? In this case, it's obviously the getting the country back message, but that doesn't mean it would be every time.

There's nothing they(white supremacists) don't have that they did have that they should continue to have exclusively. But they say different.

But we've gotten to the point where protests/counter protests are going to happen until something changes. One group needs to come around. We'd both like to see it peaceably, but that's not the direction is going.

What are we left with? While some will try to consider better ways to convince, the scared and stupid will start physically acting. And it'll just be a matter of time they're all in it.

 

[Harambe]

Also, Mr Tip, clear out your inbox your fricking pleb.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Why should I have a discussion with you? What's the point? We never end in resolution or understanding. We just go back and forth and back and forth and I quite frankly i don't have the time to waste.

Hell, I don't even know what we are duscussing/arguing. Neither of us think this and hilter are the same thing. We both think these people have the right to protest.

I simply saw people saying that violence isn't the answer and that ignoring these people will make them go away. I think those are certainly possible.

I simply offered another possibility..... that sometimes violence is the answer and does work and is necessary. Sometimes ignoring a problem makes the problem bigger, bolder, and more problematic.

What is the answer in this instance? I have no idea and never claimed to. Simply offered a different idea to the whole violence doesn't work, non violence does work idea.

And really, I'm very busy at work and shouldn't even be on my phone and don't have time for any more of this discussion so I'm done for now. Hopefully that is acceptable to you. If not, sorry but I'm not responding anymore.

See, this is much better.

Thank you.

And discussing isn't about winning or losing, it's just about discussing.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Your tolerance of speech by those who's ideology resulted in the extermination of 6 million people is not only gross and disgusting, but troubling.

but those people who killed 6 million people. did so because they did not tolerate the others people speech and ideology!

 

[DutchJazzer]

Why should I have a discussion with you? What's the point? We never end in resolution or understanding. We just go back and forth and back and forth and I quite frankly i don't have the time to waste.

i know this is not a repsonse to me,, but i would like to say something in general
if we cant have a discussion it leaves 2 avenues. violence or we leave each other the f alone!

politically most people cant have a discussion anymore, and instead of leaving each-other alone. we start to belittle each other, do ad hominem attacks and in real live it starts to lead to violence. good thing most people on here have 1 thing in common the love of jazz basketball, and in a way we respect and discuss jazz related stuff. with that if we agree or not. for example i say gobert is best jazz player ever you say stockton is best player ever. at the end of the day it does not impact our lives in a significant way.

but with politics depending on if my viewpoint has more support whether my viewpoint is right or wrong. it tends to be forced on you. and vice versa!
so we either stop talking about politics which i have been doing less off these days(well in this thread it reignited it in me.
or we start attacking each other. calling communist nazi russian biggot stupid homophobe etc.
i also stopped talking about politics because the dow jones and other stocks are going through the roof and i am making lots of monies .



let the season begin let politics take a backside. lets just say live and let live! i can say whatever the f i want, you can say whatever the f you want. but your rights end where other peoples property and live begins.

do not initiate force. is this unreasonable?

 

[DutchJazzer]

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Where will you draw the line?

when they actually come for people!


so far they have not come for ANYONE!

 

[DutchJazzer]

I understand how you;re trying to process this within the law. Good on you, but I find it cowardly. Sorry to offend, I know I am, but I have to. My conscience does not allow for even the tiniest acceptance of this type of speech, after all we've been through. I will not tolerate it, I will not allow it to victimize me or anyone else, and I will fight (non-violently) those who try to carve out any piece of society for these mongrels.

i could sya the same for communist and socialist speech.

after what those people have done in china, soviet union, Cuba and north korea now Venezuela!

so who decide what we can tolerate or not!

i cannot tolerate those ideologies, because just like the 25 point plan of the national socialist of the 30's and 40's those other regimes are just as bad!


so you decide what speech is tolerable and what not? communism is just as intolerable to me and certain people as national zoialism, democratic sozialism and Italian fascist sozialism.


so you wanna force what you find intolerable on others?

 

[DutchJazzer]

There's nothing they(white supremacists) don't have that they did have that they should continue to have exclusively. But they say different.

But we've gotten to the point where protests/counter protests are going to happen until something changes. One group needs to come around. We'd both like to see it peaceably, but that's not the direction is going.

What are we left with? While some will try to consider better ways to convince, the scared and stupid will start physically acting. And it'll just be a matter of time they're all in it.

how about we start enforcing laws to the fuillest extent. a nazi says **** jews. a person walksup to him and punches him in the mouth.

saying **** jews is not illegal in the USA, so the nazi as much as i hate to admit it did nothing illegal. and the puncher did something illegal!
we prosecute the puncher for putting hands on someone else!

once people are getting prosecuted for violence this **** will stop. their will be no escalation of violence. because we now have the 1st death. in what my opinion started with anti-fa by all accounts they started with violence against right wing speakers.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I realize there's a slippery slope, possibly. But this is different. This is about our very soul as a nation. It's in the hands of the people, and we must stand up to the challenge, instead of looking for excuses not to.

the 1st amendment is the soul of the nation!