You would easily get that lmao. Atlanta would throw in a future first as well.
Utah would be silly to accept.
Choose Gobert or Donovan, you can't have both!
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You would easily get that lmao. Atlanta would throw in a future first as well.
Utah would be silly to accept.
LoPo
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You're right..... until we get to the playoffs. Gobert goes from top 15 NBA player to much, much less effective.
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LoPo
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LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen and some sort of other compensation is worse than 2020/21 Gobert, but better than "supermax Gobert" or better than "walks in summer 2021 for nothing Gobert".
And arguably, Dinwiddie, LeVert and Allen could help us win more playoffs games. The playoffs are just different. Waves of guys who can score and defend could be worth more than one rim protector.
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What are you talking about? Why do you always talk out your *** on this subjecet?
Mitchell has played MUCH worse against Houston than Gobert has. Mitchell was god awful last playoff series (the two close games the Jazz lost he was a combined 13/49 from the field).
Does Gobert struggle to be as good as he usually is against Houston? Sure, but he didnt completely face plant like Mitchell did and he's far from bad and still asserts a huge defensive influence on the game. And Houston is without a doubt his worst matchup. Any other playoff series he is going to look like he usually looks.
It's so disingenuous to say Gobert struggles in the playoffs as a blanket statement. He struggles against Houston. For someone who threw a crybaby fit about people slandering Mitchell, you'd think you wouldn't be a hypocrite and slander Gobert.
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Right now sure. Going forward Mitchell’s ceiling is higher. There’s also other considerations as well in this.
I don’t think given the circumstances if they are what they seem.
I'm not sure how high it is. His defense hasnt met expectations and he doesnt show a lot of promise being a high level foul drawer. This year he was good because of strong mid-range numbers. Is that sustainable? His most realistic path for improvement is to become a more efficient 3pt shooter, but will that happen with his volume shooting mentality? His refusal to remove bad floater attempts is worrisome to me. Gobert, for all his flaws, rarely plays outside of himself in ways that hurt the team.
Gobert at his current peak is at the low-end of the top 10/high end of the top 15. I'm not sure Mitchell can ever crack the top 10.
*And just to be clear I tink Mitchell is great and i'm in no way entertaining trading either player*
I know that isnt Jarrett Allen cuz only a complete moron would bench him for Epke Udoh.
Keefe
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Allen sucks. Start an elite defensive player with those other four. Also, how’s your mom?
LoPo
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Mitchell shot a ton of shots against Houston because we literally had no other offensive option. Gobert was easy to shut down, Rubio couldn't shoot, and Joe was also shut down. Favors and Royce were limited.
Mitchell did not have a good series but he was our only chance to win since Gobert was rendered pretty much useless on both ends. You don't remember conversations on whether or not we should play Favors over Gobert due to Gobert being that ineffective?
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LoPo
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Gobert was not great against Houston in 2019, Houston in 2018 and OKC in 2018. 3 playoff series and 2 different opponents - Gobert wasn't near as effective as he is during the season.
Crybaby fit? Yeah, I get defensive when morons overvalue Jazz players while bashing the guy we should be hitching the wagon to. But I don't expect you to understand what's best for the team. Your basketball knowledge always comes up lacking when it's about improving the franchise. It's like you cherish mediocrity.
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I think we all have our wagons hitched to him. I think you’re just really sensitive and defensive go a ridiculous point.
LoPo
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Cy is saying we should go with Rudy over Donovan. What are you missing?
I'm sensitive because idiotic mindsets drive me up the proverbial wall. For a Jazz fan to watch the playoffs the last two years and honestly feel that Gobert is more important than Donovan, I worry about our fan base. It blows my mind. Watch basketball people. Titles are not won by teams led by offensively and physically limited big men.
In terms of accomplishments and statistics, Donovan Mitchell is one of the most accomplished young players in the history of the NBA not just our Jazz. He should be more celebrated not scrutinized.
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Every great player is scrutinized first off. Lebron is the most scrutinized athlete of all time and he’s probably the greatest athlete of all time. You’re being childish as can be. Cy actually said both are important and he’s not advocating for getting rid of either of them. Quite honestly if you think we scrutinize you haven’t looked at how many other fanbases scrutinize because this fanbase is actually quite soft on criticism.
Also wtf am I missing here? No one can be critical of Donovan’s play. Every Jazz fan loves Donovan. He owns the fanbase, he owns the city. As was mentioned in an earlier thread the guy has been told he’s Gods gift to this fanbase and city (he is by the way, I agree with it) for an entire 3 years now. Did you see his line when he signed at a sock store? Have you seen the amount of people wearing his shirts,hoodies,jerseys, and shoes in the state? He’s earned it no doubt. But this fanbase and SLC has also returned that love to him. Talking about his basketball related struggles on a fan forum does not mean he isn’t the most popular guy in town or that anyone doesn’t love the guy.
LoPo
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I never said people can't criticize Donovan. I'm simply addressing the people who don't appreciate him and come up with bogus, childish reasons to knock the guy. Stuff like, he's fake, childish, selfish, drama queen all because the overblown Rudy drama.
Go Jazz
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Does this look like someone who isn’t appreciated?
Regardless of the situation. As the face of the franchise and the leader he is on the team he has to be better in a situation like that publicly REGARDLESS of what may have happened.
LoPo
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A man has the right to be upset at a teammate who put the health of both he and his loved ones in danger.
Like I have said all along - we don't know what happened, we don't know what Rudy did so how can anybody judge Donovan for being upset?
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