Clayton or Collier?

[fishonjazz]

You basically just described Ricky Rubio and we all know how that went. When teams locked down he became a massive liability because teams would sag off him and the rest of the offense would become a grind.

Ya we aren't trying to win this season imo. We are trying to develop young players though. My post was about how having a guy who like to pass and is good at passing might help the other players on our team with development.

Also, you 100% definitely didn't read the last couple of sentences of my post:

"If you want me to argue with you that his lack of shooting doesn't/won't hurt the offense then sorry bro, I won't do it. I absolutely do think his lack of shooting is a really big deal and why I don't think he will ever amount to anything in the NBA."

FWIW I voted Clayton in the poll

 

[jazznik]

You basically just described Ricky Rubio and we all know how that went. When teams locked down he became a massive liability because teams would sag off him and the rest of the offense would become a grind.

I disagree. Rubio had his own warts but he was a 34% 3PT and 80% FT shooter in his rookie year. And he was a much better passer as well (>8 APG on a team with many capable passers).

 

[slc]

I disagree. Rubio had his own warts but he was a 34% 3PT and 80% FT shooter in his rookie year. And he was a much better passer as well (>8 APG on a team with many capable passers).

I think it was a big mistake when Jazz got rid of Rubio
Jazz were better with him and team had very good chemistry despite his shooting
He was a very good shooter at times

 

[efukillar]

Collier was the main handler in the second half of last season. Key was pushed out by Collier and played as a shooting guard and bench ace. I hope WCJ becomes a good player, but I can't imagine Collier not being in the starting lineup next season. WCJ could be the starting shooting guard, but Collier is the main handler. It could change over time, but I think I'm right at the start of the season.

 

[framer]

What if I told you that the dude picked at the *** end of probably the worst draft in a decade was never intended to be a second year starter and any juice we get out of him in that direction is an immense positive?

Collier is a project, and a project that broke John Stockton's rookie assist numbers. He didn't fix all of his shooting woes over his first offseason. He will still be a project next year too.

Niether him or Clayton Jr. will be the starting pg in 2026-2027.

 

[JazzFever]

I don’t get it.

 

[fishonjazz]

What if I told you that the dude picked at the *** end of probably the worst draft in a decade was never intended to be a second year starter and any juice we get out of him in that direction is an immense positive?

Collier is a project, and a project that broke John Stockton's rookie assist numbers. He didn't fix all of his shooting woes over his first offseason. He will still be a project next year too.

Niether him or Clayton Jr. will be the starting pg in 2026-2027.

Agreed.

 

[bigmike]

What if I told you that the dude picked at the *** end of probably the worst draft in a decade was never intended to be a second year starter and any juice we get out of him in that direction is an immense positive?

Collier is a project, and a project that broke John Stockton's rookie assist numbers. He didn't fix all of his shooting woes over his first offseason. He will still be a project next year too.

Niether him or Clayton Jr. will be the starting pg in 2026-2027.

Agree on Collier. Not sure on Walt. But if WCJ comes off the bench in ~2026-2028 that's exciting since it means we probably have a PG who can really go.

 

[framer]

Agree on Collier. Not sure on Walt. But if WCJ comes off the bench in ~2026-2028 that's exciting since it means we probably have a PG who can really go.

If we spend that 26 million exception it almost has to be for a point guard. Having WCJ as a backup point and Collier as a project is a pretty good situation to grow into. If either if them pop, you can adjust accordingly.