Clinton will win easily

[Siro]

But over time there is gradual change, and it all seems like it is toward liberalism. Racism, tolerance of gays, abortion, rejection of religion, free love, whatever. Go back 50 years, 100 years. Really, is there any way that society is more conservative now than 50 and 100 years ago? The only reason "conservatives" are still around half the vote is because they are changing along with everyone else.

Read my response to Broncster above.

 

[LogGrad98]

But over time there is gradual change, and it all seems like it is toward liberalism. Racism, tolerance of gays, abortion, rejection of religion, free love, whatever. Go back 50 years, 100 years. Really, is there any way that society is more conservative now than 50 and 100 years ago?

I disagree. I think there are some fanatics that have the will and means to push a liberal agenda on everyone that makes it look like that is where the country stands. If you do not embrace homosexuality in all its forms you are labeled a hater and less than human, for example, it isn't about acceptance, you have to be a full-on PROPONENT of it to be clear of the charges of hater, racist, homophobe, et al. However I think most Americans are far more centrist than that and there is some backlash. You could argue that this election is an example of that backlash.

 

[Siro]

I disagree. I think there are some fanatics that have the will and means to push a liberal agenda on everyone that makes it look like that is where the country stands. If you do not embrace homosexuality in all its forms you are labeled a hater and less than human, for example, it isn't about acceptance, you have to be a full-on PROPONENT of it to be clear of the charges of hater, racist, homophobe, et al. However I think most Americans are far more centrist than that and there is some backlash. You could argue that this election is an example of that backlash.

It sounds like you don't like gays.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Today's issues are not the only possible issues. They might be okay with marijuana, but they will have their own prejudices, and they will vote their own interest. We will mourn the inevitable collapse of civilization each time we don't get our way, just as we do now.

There will be new issues and prejudices. Young people will be out of touch on those when they grow up as a group. That is progress to me though. Social issues are all getting better in this world and hopefully will keep heading that way. The world is a better place than it was for my parents and I hope and assume that will continue.

 

[Siro]

There will be new issues and prejudices. Young people will be out of touch on those when they grow up as a group. That is progress to me though. Social issues are all getting better in this world and hopefully will keep heading that way. The world is a better place than it was for my parents and I hope and assume that will continue.

I don't disagree. But then again, I'm a leftist socially.

 

[Siro]

I would also like to point out that "hispanics", on average, are not exactly liberal. Like wtf are you guys talking about.

 

[Siro]

To recap, there is no progressive destiny. There are no grand narratives. I agree that young people tend to be more progressive, as I define social progression, than their elders. But there is no predicting the values of a society in the long term, specially when demographic change brings with it a cultural shift.

Also, and before I go to work, I just want to say that personally, the only kind of progress that truly matters to me is technical progress. I think everything else is a side effect.

I remain optimistic, as depressed as I am being represented by Donald Trump.

Good night.

 

[♪alt13]

I would also like to point out that "hispanics", on average, are not exactly liberal. Like wtf are you guys talking about.

That's certainly true. Especially the ones that are "uneducated voters". I have two brother in laws that are hispanic(one speaks Spanish the other does not). Neither one is liberal. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the one that speaks Spanish voted for Trump. I'm pretty sure that my other brother in law didn't vote.

 

[♪alt13]

I disagree. I think there are some fanatics that have the will and means to push a liberal agenda on everyone that makes it look like that is where the country stands. If you do not embrace homosexuality in all its forms you are labeled a hater and less than human, for example, it isn't about acceptance, you have to be a full-on PROPONENT of it to be clear of the charges of hater, racist, homophobe, et al. However I think most Americans are far more centrist than that and there is some backlash. You could argue that this election is an example of that backlash.

*Apathy

Backlash implies some big wave of voter turnout. That didn't happen.

 

[str8line]

I don't believe I ever have called any group that. Nor do I believe Clinton did either.

Don't feed the troll. Look at his brief post history.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

*Apathy

Backlash implies some big wave of voter turnout. That didn't happen.

Yes, I don't know how anyone would interpret the 1.5 million FEWER votes that Trump got compared to Romney 2012 as any kind of backlash. If there was a backlash, it was Democrats against their own candidate, 6 million fewer votes than Obama 2012.

 

[candrew]

Not sure why you see that as a large gap. If she'd been a decent candidate she would have destroyed Trump in this demographic, getting 60% at minimum.

I don't see it as a large gap - just the opposite. Trump, a man who openly bragged about sexually harassing women, carried a significant majority of white women 51-45 college, 62-35 non-college. Shoot me if I find that a bit surprising.