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Clipps-Nuggz Gm 7 Discussion

At least we didn't put up that piss poor game in our game 7. Clips gonna Clip.
 
good news is I don't think Nuggets will be able to keep all their guys this offseason... I think Grant, Craig, and Millsap have all increased their value a bit and Nuggets are not a team that pays the tax... owners have cheaped out historically. I could see a team like Atlanta or NY getting wild with a Grant contract.
 
jom2003 said:
This is exactly the kind of mentality that I'm worried about coming from our FO because Bojan will be a 32 yr old recovering from a big surgery next season.
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Didn’t he have surgery on his wrist or something? If so, I’m not too worried about it.
 
One Brow said:
Going 19/59 is also statistically insignificant. It's not enough shots.

You can make a fair argument that Conley shoots worse in the playoffs than the regular season. This focus on game 7, and using it as evidence of a larger pattern, is silly.
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Don't even try. Jom is the worst. He can only see his point of view, even when proven wrong. He doesn't grasp the concept of sample size and uses silly stats to back up his claims. And then, he has the nerve to ridicule others when shown how dumb his takes are (it seems no one is smart enough to follow this train of thought, if you can call it that way).
 
latin jazz said:
Don't even try. Jom is the worst. He can only see his point of view, even when proven wrong. He doesn't grasp the concept of sample size and uses silly stats to back up his claims. And then, he has the nerve to ridicule others when shown how dumb his takes are (it seems no one is smart enough to follow this train of thought, if you can call it that way).
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In his defense, if LeBron was 0-4 in Game 7's, what would the narrative be? I think that's his main point although it's not all Conley's fault that he's 0-4 in Game 7's.
 
LoPo said:
In his defense, if LeBron was 0-4 in Game 7's, what would the narrative be? I think that's his main point although it's not all Conley's fault that he's 0-4 in Game 7's.
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I mean, Lebron is arguably the second best player of all time so the bar is higher (even then, he's been criticized for losing so many times in the Finals, although his teams were crap).

Conley is just a solid starter, all star caliber in his prime. Those Memphis teams were overachievers. Their best postseason run had the offense run through Zach Randolph. Furthermore, 4 games is not enough to judge invididual perfomance or legacy. You can also make the argument that taking a vastly superior team like OKC to a game 7 was an accomplishment by itself. Finally, his numbers in the playoffs are pretty good: not only this season (when he averaged 20ppg, 6.6 apg on good shooting) but in the past as well.
 
Troat Guru said:
Totally agreed.
The "2008 Celtic" were reeeeally good and I'm pretty sure they could have won the ring even with no coach at all.
After that experience Doc has gone from a failure to another one (ok perhaps sometimes with CP3 and Griffin he was a bit unlucky, but this year has no excuses with injuries).

Ahn BTW; an advise for "Playoff P" alias PG13: next time, choose your nickname after proving something.
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It was hilarious when during the first round Mark Jackson was praising PG and went as far as to say:"not enough people recognise the greatness of Paul George". Well true greatness shines in those moments..
 
LoPo said:
In his defense, if LeBron was 0-4 in Game 7's, what would the narrative be? I think that's his main point although it's not all Conley's fault that he's 0-4 in Game 7's.
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well, let's do a more thorough research and count all the "win or go home" games in Conley's career, shall we?

In 2011,
G6 versus Thunder, trail 2-3, win or go home
Conley shot 3 for 12, luckily Z-bo dropped 30+13 in a Memphis win

G7 versus Thunder, tied 3-3, win or go home
Conley shot 7 for 19 in a Memphis loss.

2012
G5 versus Clippers, trail 1-3, win or go home
Conley shot 4 of 10 for 9 points, luckily Gasol/Z-bo combined for 42 pts in a Memphis win.

G6, trail 2-3, win or go home
Conley 4 for 9, Gasol/Z-bo again came up big for the grizz and scored 41 pts to force a G7.

G7 vesus Clippers, tied 3-3
Conley shot 2-13 for 7 pts, Memphis lost

2013
G4 versus Spurs, trail 0-3. Win or go home
Conley 4-13 for 9pts in a Spurs sweep.

2014
G7 versus Thunder, win or go home
Conley 8 for 14 in a Memphis loss.

2015
G6 versus Warriors, trail 2-3, win or go home
Conley 3-13 for 11pts in yet another Memphis loss.

2017
G6 versus Spurs, trail 2-3, win or go home.
Conley again shot 7-18 and Memphis lost.

2020
G7 versus Nuggets
Conley 2-13 for 8points.

To sum it up, Conley shoots 44/134=32% in season defining games for his teams in the playoffs. none of the teams that beat Conley were the eventual champion of that season. 2012 Clippers didn't even sniff the Conference Final's floor

You can call it "statistically insignificant" all you want. Not sure how much those Grizz fans spending years of frustrations watching one playoff exit after another would agree with you. not to mention had Conley even shot 3-13 we would've beat Denver in G7, but he just couldn't hit that one damn extra field goal.
 
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jom2003 said:
well, let's do a more thorough research and count all the "win or go home" games in Conley's career, shall we?
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Only if you promise to focus only on shooting, and not on other contributions.

jom2003 said:
In 2011,
G6 versus Thunder, trail 2-3, win or go home
Conley shot 3 for 12, luckily Z-bo dropped 30+13 in a Memphis win
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You don't think Conley's 12 assists had anything to do with Randolph's points?

jom2003 said:
G7 versus Thunder, tied 3-3, win or go home
Conley shot 7 for 19 in a Memphis loss.
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With 6 assists and 5 rebounds. He was doing a little of everything that night.

jom2003 said:
2012
G5 versus Clippers, trail 1-3, win or go home
Conley shot 4 of 10 for 9 points, luckily Gasol/Z-bo combined for 42 pts in a Memphis win.
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6 assists that night. Odd how Randolph keeps getting "lucky" on nights Conley's assists are up.

jom2003 said:
G6, trail 2-3, win or go home
Conley 4 for 9, Gasol/Z-bo again came up big for the grizz and scored 41 pts to force a G7.
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9 assists that night.

jom2003 said:
G7 vesus Clippers, tied 3-3
Conley shot 2-13 for 7 pts, Memphis lost
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A genuinely bad overall game.

I stopped there. So far, Conley significantly helped his team in 3 of the 4 games.
 
One Brow said:
Only if you promise to focus only on shooting, and not on other contributions.



You don't think Conley's 12 assists had anything to do with Randolph's points?



With 6 assists and 5 rebounds. He was doing a little of everything that night.



6 assists that night. Odd how Randolph keeps getting "lucky" on nights Conley's assists are up.



9 assists that night.



A genuinely bad overall game.

I stopped there. So far, Conley significantly helped his team in 3 of the 4 games.
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does Conley make any other contribution at this point? defense? rebounding? he playmakes a bit but our offensive rating actually drops from 120 to 115 with him on the floor.
 
jom2003 said:
does Conley make any other contribution at this point? defense? rebounding? he playmakes a bit but our offensive rating actually drops from 120 to 115 with him on the floor.
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So, you think you can prove your point by changing your claim in the middle of the discussion?
 
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