Collier Starting Over Keyonte: Are We Happy?

[seattlejazzfan]

with the jazz tanking, i'd rather they both start, but if it's one or the other, it has to be Collier. Collier has to start - i was pretty pissed when he didn't start against OKC - no excuse for that imo as he'd clearly been getting exponentially better in a starting role.

but if it were up to me, I'd start Key alongside him, give him the green light and revisit his role for next season depending on how he plays. it's a luxury the jazz have that they don't care if they win - even that they are better off losing. they can give a guy like Keyonte the green light and play guys like Collier and Key a crap ton of minutes. play them, let them cook and see what you have.

 

[NAOS_pt2]

Like I said, that is your projection. I'm not trashing him, I'm describing the level of play that these two players have performed at this season. If you choose to make that a condemnation on their future, that is on you. Don't get mad at me for making an indication on their future when only you have done that. This is your personal problem.

Lmao. You get so defensive at the drop of a pin; and it’s as hilarious as it is pitiful.

I’m glad I’m unintentionally logged out sometimes, so that my hide filter is off and so I see this in full effect.

 

[NAOS_pt2]

What makes you think I’m projecting his development? I’m not projecting anything. You’re putting words into my mouth. I just disagree with your trashing of Collier.

You need to understand something. That dude is running his model with his logic, and he thinks it’s the best one. Further, he thinks that if you don’t agree to the parameters of the discussion he is having with his model, or if you don’t accurately deduce the limits of the discussion, then you have a problem.

I’d say it’s autistic AF, but I don’t want to drag any autistic people.

 

[KqWIN]

Lmao. You get so defensive at the drop of a pin; and it’s as hilarious as it is pitiful.

I’m glad I’m unintentionally logged out sometimes, so that my hide filter is off and so I see this in full effect.

Do you need attention or something? Didn't know you were still obsessed with me.

 

[underdog]

Because unlike you, I have said nothing about their future or their position as prospects in the big picture. I made a statement about their current level of play and you chose to make is something bigger. Young players shouldn't be expected to be fully developed, you know that. And this is why making a comment about their level play isn't a thrashing. It's the reality of the situation and if you take offense to that, you're the one who is overlooking the obvious caveats. Like I said, if you consider this to be trashing it's a personal problem.

Ok now you’re trying to get off the hook and jump out of the boat.

 

[KqWIN]

Ok now you’re trying to get off the hook and jump out of the boat.

Not at all, I'll say it again. They have been two of the worst players in the league that get the minutes that they do. The reason I brought that up is to say that neither has really taken the position based on their level of play, and in that case I'm happy with Hardy giving the edge to the guy who is playing harder.

If you disagree that their play hasn't been what I said it was, we can talk about it. You haven't once disagreed with me on their actually level of play, just that's it's normal for a young player. So if it's normal, it can't be a thrashing can it? You chose to take it as a thrashing, which is not my problem.

 

[NAOS_pt2]

Do you need attention or something? Didn't know you were still obsessed with me.

 

[Agent#00]

Collier is fast. Like John Wall fast

 

[bigmike]

Collier is fast. Like John Wall fast

He gets downhill and gets in the paint whenever he wants.

As a USC fan it was frustrating at times last season. He could get whatever he wanted in the college game.

 

[bigmike]

I’ll just point out -

3 (2?) games in, this looks more like a statement on wanting to reward / see what we have in Collier vs. bench/punish Keyonte. He’s still playing 30+ minutes in each game coming off the bench. It’s not like he’s in the doghouse.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I’ll just point out -

3 (2?) games in, this looks more like a statement on wanting to reward / see what we have in Collier vs. bench/punish Keyonte. He’s still playing 30+ minutes in each game coming off the bench. It’s not like he’s in the doghouse.

If we were trying to win, he might be in the doghouse but I generally agree with your points in this context.

 

[KqWIN]

Collier’s attitude and motor has been A+++ all year. I think that’s definitely something Key can improve on, so I hope he takes the hint.