Collin Sexton SZN

[Handlogten's Heros]

The issue with Walker is that he is prone to confidence loss. If you just play him 30 MPG no matter what he is going to get rocked by opposing teams centers and he's going to sulk.

I think you stick with Walker the bench player and hope he really takes a physical leap in the off-season and you can start him next year.

I do think there is a little bit of Walker skepticism with DA. Chasing Porzingis and trading for Collins kinda makes me think he's not convinced he's a 30 minute a night guy.

I just think long term whether its Walker or Sarr or whoever you have at center... they likely need to be a rim protector to have a functional defense for most of the game... and they likely aren't shooting 3s. I think the confidence issues will go away with time.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I do think there is a little bit of Walker skepticism with DA. Chasing Porzingis and trading for Collins kinda makes me think he's not convinced he's a 30 minute a night guy.

I just think long term whether its Walker or Sarr or whoever you have at center... they likely need to be a rim protector to have a functional defense for most of the game... and they likely aren't shooting 3s. I think the confidence issues will go away with time.

The thing with Walker is for him not to be a negative on offense you need a point god type of PNR maestro. Right now the team isnt like that and basically everyone on the roster is more suited towards 5 out, less PNR heavy offense.

For now I'm 100% keeping him. Ideally he's just a super bench guy who can play starter minutes when the matchup dictates it. Hopefully he isnt commanding Rudy type money and is more like Zubac type money.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I guess its just part of my "what's the plan here?" confusion. If we moved Collin for a future first I'd think we are still pretty aimless. If we moved Collin in the offseason for a top 10 pick for a specific guy we targeted... I'd feel better about it. I think we have stumbled on to a winning formula to build on and he's a big part of it... so his trade value if moved should reflect that. JC, KO, etc. I think are pieces you could flip for future assets and not disrupt the winning formula too much.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I think we should be building around Lauri and Sexton. That includes thinking about players potential fit with both of them.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I guess it’s just part of my "what's the plan here?" confusion. If we moved Collin for a future first I'd think we are still pretty aimless. If we moved Collin in the offseason for a top 10 pick for a specific guy we targeted... I'd feel better about it. I think we have stumbled on to a winning formula to build on and he's a big part of it... so his trade value if moved should reflect that. JC, KO, etc. I think are pieces you could flip for future assets and not disrupt the winning formula too much.

I highly doubt we trade him and if we do it will be for more than just one first.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think we should be building around Lauri and Sexton. That includes thinking about players potential fit with both of them.

No way I'm purposefully building around Sexton, like making intentional move that I wouldnt make otherwise just to fit Sexton.

You get the best players you can and if Sexton is the reason it doesnt fit, you move him to the bench or you move him to a new team.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I dont really think Sexton is a hyper flawed player anymore though, so I dont think building with him will be too tough.

 

[KqWIN]

My thoughts might be a bit of a nothing burger in that most of the medium sized moves we'd make would be for players that fit with Collin/Walker - if the idea is to get better now - would also be players that fit with Keyonte and others. Most of the long term moves like drafting and acquiring of blue chip prospects I would make regardless of Walker and Sexton and just acquire the best talent.

Like if we traded for Avdija it works with the current group and likely with any future groups if we reconfigure. That would be a medium/biggish move imo.

Its more like the Tyus Jones, Zach Lavine (that one is big I realize), or like a Nic Claxton... aren't moves I'd do with the current setup. If they are dirt cheap you can reconsider. I'd say Dlo falls into this but if we do that one its for the other parts of the deal and Dlo is fine if you are getting something. Its really the Collins type move. I just think a move that is centered around the next 2-3 years needs to factor fit with those guys a bit more than John did.

I still feel like moves listed below (at least some of them) are moves as long as we are confident in the value it took to get them. I wouldn't be breaking the bank for any of those guys, but if we got them for a reasonable price I wouldn't mind even knowing that they are probably not amazing long term fits with Kessler and or Sexton. Sexton and Kessler just aren't good enough (yet) for me to feel firm that they are the long term plan on their own. Like there's a universe where Lavine is actually the better way to go because we don't have to have such a specific player next to him and we end up trading Sexton. It's fine to have both on your way up.

I also think Lavine is about as good as it gets as far as an offensive fit next to Sexton as you can get....though I definitely don't recommend going full IND and ignoring the defensive side of the ball. Then you a guy like Tyus where he's awesome next to Lauri and Kessler, but too small next to Sexton. Like I said, it's a sliding scale...I'm just think we are getting ahead of ourselves,

 

[KqWIN]

I dont really think Sexton is a hyper flawed player anymore though, so I dont think building with him will be too tough.

I think he's kind of tough to build around with his size. You need a very specific player next to him and those are hard to find. However, if he keeps improving his playmaking and shooting it makes it much easier. Defensively....I just don't think he can ever be good though.

 

[fishonjazz]

I think he's kind of tough to build around with his size. You need a very specific player next to him and those are hard to find. However, if he keeps improving his playmaking and shooting it makes it much easier. Defensively....I just don't think he can ever be good though.

Crazy thing is he is listed at 6 foot 3. No ****ing way he is that tall

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[Elizah Huge]

No way I'm purposefully building around Sexton, like making intentional move that I wouldnt make otherwise just to fit Sexton.

You get the best players you can and if Sexton is the reason it doesnt fit, you move him to the bench or you move him to a new team.

The type of player we’d have to acquire to replace Sexton doesn’t seem plausible at the moment. He wouldn’t be hard to build with so my point still stands.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The type of player we’d have to acquire to replace Sexton doesn’t seem plausible at the moment. He wouldn’t be hard to build with so my point still stands.

I mean not really. There's a difference between making moves through the lens of "Does this maximize or fit with Sexton" and just making good moves.

If the Jazz can get a 6'3 PG who is more traditional (shoots off the dribble, can be a top PNR player, etc) and he's of similiar quality to Sexton (ie, Darius Garland type) then yeah, you move on from Sexton. I would assume the Jazz hope Keyonte is that as they have prioritized fast-tracking his development with minutes.