Compelling Pro Life Argument

[jimmy eat jazz]

Define “regains it’s collective mind”. What I’m seeing from the only other major party is a swing towards the extreme in their own party. Now clearly I’m not trying to compare their speech to Trumps. They are not him that way, thank god. But the policy positions have taken a strong left swing.

I don’t see any return to sanity. I see an aggressive reaction.

This is true if one focuses on what news is reported in social media or what headlines say or pay attention to how Republicans are trying to frame the issues. There's a lot of news about, say, AOC and her allies, but they are a wing of the party and are by no means driving the bus.

There's a lot of noise in the news that can give this impression, but most Democrats who are capable of mounting a serious Presidential campaign (w/ exception of Bernie--God, I wish he'd go away) are far more centrist that the AOC wing. This is a signal vs. noise problem that Republicans, and press (even mainstream) will try to exploit so as to keep the noise at maximum to keep people from missing the signal.

 

[One Brow]

Interesting. I think, considering that the actions of the woman directly resulted in placing the fetus in her womb against its will, would imply consent to use the womb.

If I stab someone in the kidney, that could result in their loss of kidney function. Nonetheless, there is no provision that would force me to donate one of my kidneys in recompense. Legally, we treat the bodies of murderers as sacrosanct, but not women who had sex.

She knew what the outcome could be, engaged in the behavior anyway, and created the fetus without its consent, knowing that it would end up in her uterus. I think you could argue that is implied consent, if not explicit consent outright.

Consent has to be granted to an existing entity. What entity is being granted consent at the time of sex?

On the 2nd part why do the woman's rights, who had a choice in the matter (to have sex or not) supercede the rights of the infant who had no say in the matter, was forced into existence again its will.

They don't. If the fetus does not wish to be connected to the woman's uterus, we should allow the fetus to disconnect itself. The fetus should have the same rights as the woman, the right to be disconnected.

However, I don't think many fetuses will exercise that right.

Could that be viewed as existential rape?

I'm not sure what that phrase is supposed to mean.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

I kill millions of babies everytime I rub one out?

 

[Rubashov]

HaHa. I'll let my Chinese friends know this. They will be very surprised to learn this fact.

Single party state with a capitalist economy, that's fascism.

 

[silesian]

Single party state with a capitalist economy, that's fascism.

Putting a single label on the Chinese system is quite simplistic, don’t you think?

 

[LogGrad98]

If I stab someone in the kidney, that could result in their loss of kidney function. Nonetheless, there is no provision that would force me to donate one of my kidneys in recompense. Legally, we treat the bodies of murderers as sacrosanct, but not women who had sex.



Consent has to be granted to an existing entity. What entity is being granted consent at the time of sex?



They don't. If the fetus does not wish to be connected to the woman's uterus, we should allow the fetus to disconnect itself. The fetus should have the same rights as the woman, the right to be disconnected.

However, I don't think many fetuses will exercise that right.



I'm not sure what that phrase is supposed to mean.

Shouldn't she get permission from the fetus before creating it in the first place? If the fetus exercised it's right to leave the womb, it wouldn't affect the woman, but if she exercises her right to evict the fetus it results in the fetus' death, seems the outcome should have something to do with this, as it does in a court of law. If I bail out on my landlord without paying my rent he can sue, but if he evicts me by killing me he would be tried for murder.

Also the stabbing a kidney thing makes no sense. The fetus has had zero choices at all in the entire thing, yet pays the highest price, all without ever being in any position to understand let alone exercise any of it's rights.

Existential rape: the fetus was forced to exist, didn't make the choice, had it forced upon it, possibly against its will. What word other than rape would be more fitting? Existential kidnapping?

 

[silesian]

Single party state with a capitalist economy, that's fascism.

Have you done business in China or spent any time there? Things are not as cut and dry as you may have read. The means of production are privately held in capitalism and they are public ally held in socialism. China is a hybrid. The economy is tightly controlled and the “capitalists” do nothing without the complete oversight of the communist leaders.

There are also companies who are partially or fully state owned. And the implied complete central control is a myth as there are regional power players (also communists) who have extensive powers.

Is it fascist? Communist? Socialist? Capitalist? Yes and no to each. It is Chinese and does fit neatly into any one category.

 

[silesian]

The thing about Trump that I find so interesting is the lack of self-awareness about how history is likely to judge the Trump Administration and those who enabled him. He, and his supporters, are on the wrong side of history, and as the nation regains its collective mind and time passes and the nation is able to put the past into perspective, the Trump Admin will not be recalled as, to put it finely, a high point in US history. He'll be keeping company with, among others, Nixon & Harding as bad/corrupt presidents. I find it so interesting how so few people exhibit any self-awareness about this or exhibit any outward desire to put themselves, and their legacies, on the right side of history.

Yes. Many people will have a hard time explaining their actions to their grandkids. It is going to be fun to read all the books from trump insiders explaining his idiocy and how they tried their best to help guide this buffoon, but to no avail.

Contrast to bush 2, who despite being a weak president, he acted with dignity, treated people with respect, and was mentioned fondly by his staff and adversaries alike. He is a decent human being. In contrast with..... well, you know.

 

[silesian]

Hypocrisy of the Right is more glaring at the moment since it has abandoned long-voiced principles in its all-out pursuit for power and to insert their collective heads up Trump's arse.

I find it comical how trumpsters are dancing in the streets because they learned that trump is not a felon. Poor guys.

 

[Gameface]

The OP video doesn't even make a pro-life argument. Am I missing something?

 

[Gameface]

On a basic emotional level, I'm pro-abortion rights. I'm not going to hide that behind "pro-choice," I'm just going to say that I really want to support abortion rights.

On a moral level, I can't make it work, honestly. There are problems with it, as far as "fairness in a vacuum." Abortion is not "fair." At least not the way it exists today. It may be fair in a historical context, but if you were to start from scratch today, and erase all past hierarchy, all past power dynamics, it would be unjust.

But I live in the real world, and in the real world, today, as things have developed in our history to this point, abortion is power women need to attain equality. So I support abortion rights. Not the "right to chose" I support the right of a woman to get an abortion.

Human life is disposed of and disregarded in our society with much less concern than any woman getting an abortion. Fix that **** and get back to me about abortion.

 

[Eminence]

Have you done business in China or spent any time there? Things are not as cut and dry as you may have read. The means of production are privately held in capitalism and they are public ally held in socialism. China is a hybrid. The economy is tightly controlled and the “capitalists” do nothing without the complete oversight of the communist leaders.

There are also companies who are partially or fully state owned. And the implied complete central control is a myth as there are regional power players (also communists) who have extensive powers.

Is it fascist? Communist? Socialist? Capitalist? Yes and no to each. It is Chinese and does fit neatly into any one category.

I at least would greatly quibble with the difference between state-owned and publicly-owned. Are absolute monarchies somehow socialist/communist because everything is owned/controlled by the 'government' (the monarch), no that would be ridiculous.