Congratulations to Paul Millsap

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Or Quincy Lewis? Potential, intelligence and work ethic, not just potential.

This is what I am trying to say!!! We need player who can work hard and perform. Not only potential or we will become Charlotte Bobcats.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Your posts become harder to decode every day. The one above is little more than random words jumbled with a picture. I literally have no clue what point you're trying to make.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Will we have RFA rights to him if we trade for him?

If so, ship Kanter and a future 1st round for him.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Guys, should we have re-signed Mr Millsap two years back?

NO, we should NOT have kept him..or AL....we should have got rid of them a year sooner actually, if you are using hindsight..
How can you say hindsight is 20/20 then make a wrong choice again?

I LOVE Millsap. My old name (GlassEater) and avatar was a tribute to Paul for his rebounding skills. I know why he wasn't traded; the Millers and KOC really wanted to keep him on the team. A rotation of Millsap, Kanter and Favors at the 4/5 would have been pretty good. Hayward, Burks, Williams and Carroll at the 2/3. And Burke and ? at PG. Utah is contending for the playoffs. But then what?

That was precisely Lindsey's argument. Millsap would have been re-signed for about $10M/per (two teams bidding on him instead of taking a low offer from Atlanta). Utah either juts misses the playoffs or barely makes them. So a pick in the 13-18 range. Add a player like Ennis or Young? No Exum, no Hood. And Millsap takes up a higher salary slot, so Utah has Favors, Millsap, Hayward and can likely re-sign just one of Burks, Kanter or Gobert moving forward. Oh yeah, and no basis for DL getting rid of Corbin. So Utah is stuck with Ty and a team that is likely in contention for a 7th/8th seed for the next 4-5 years until a rebuild has to be done.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I LOVE Millsap. My old name (GlassEater) and avatar was a tribute to Paul for his rebounding skills. I know why he wasn't traded; the Millers and KOC really wanted to keep him on the team. A rotation of Millsap, Kanter and Favors at the 4/5 would have been pretty good. Hayward, Burks, Williams and Carroll at the 2/3. And Burke and ? at PG. Utah is contending for the playoffs. But then what?

That was precisely Lindsey's argument. Millsap would have been re-signed for about $10M/per (two teams bidding on him instead of taking a low offer from Atlanta). Utah either juts misses the playoffs or barely makes them. So a pick in the 13-18 range. Add a player like Ennis or Young? No Exum, no Hood. And Millsap takes up a higher salary slot, so Utah has Favors, Millsap, Hayward and can likely re-sign just one of Burks, Kanter or Gobert moving forward. Oh yeah, and no basis for DL getting rid of Corbin. So Utah is stuck with Ty and a team that is likely in contention for a 7th/8th seed for the next 4-5 years until a rebuild has to be done.

You make it sound like DL is playing Utah Jazz Diplomacy and is not playing for a draw.

 

[framer]

You'd think there were good teams with worse players on expiring deals willing to give up at least some second round picks for the upgrade and Bird rights to Paul or Al. The Jazz would still have had the cap space to make the GS trade in that case. So no, the Jazz did not "basically" trade Al and Paul for the GS picks.

Of course, the Paul and/or Al could have been retained or sign-and-traded if that GS trade didn't materialize. Missing out on acquiring additional assets in a rebuild and miscalculating the market for Gordo's services are somewhat understandable in isolation. It's a little troubling that DL made both of these mistakes.

Because the Jazz need 3 or 4 more second round picks. . . The point was that is we traded AL and Paul than we had to take salary back, which would have made the Golden State Deal undoable. Was there anyone that was going to give us two unprotected firsts for Al and Paul? So congratulations, you just traded Hood for a second rounder and the GS 2017 for one or two second rounders that we can add to our current 7. And I don't understand the "miscalculation" on Gordon's salary. Gordon WANTED to test the market to determine his worth and unless we offered max or near max, he was going to do just that. The only thing the Jazz could have done differently is trade him last year before he became a free agent. It was probably worth the gamble to see if he got a less than max offer sheet, which is hardly a "miscalculation." Under the circumstances they "calculated" correctly.

 

[Litany]

You'd think there were good teams with worse players on expiring deals willing to give up at least some second round picks for the upgrade and Bird rights to Paul or Al. The Jazz would still have had the cap space to make the GS trade in that case. So no, the Jazz did not "basically" trade Al and Paul for the GS picks.

Of course, the Paul and/or Al could have been retained or sign-and-traded if that GS trade didn't materialize. Missing out on acquiring additional assets in a rebuild and miscalculating the market for Gordo's services are somewhat understandable in isolation. It's a little troubling that DL made both of these mistakes.

Neither player got anything longer than a 3 year deal but some team wanted them for their bird rights?

I just don't buy this notion that people were knocking the jazz door down to give is assets for them.

 

[GVC]

Because the Jazz need 3 or 4 more second round picks. . . The point was that is we traded AL and Paul than we had to take salary back, which would have made the Golden State Deal undoable. Was there anyone that was going to give us two unprotected firsts for Al and Paul?

1. 2nd round picks are better than nothing.

2. If you re-read my post, you'll notice I said "worse players on expiring deals". Those deals may not have been available, sure, but they could have been traded for lesser players on expiring deals, which wouldn't have affected the GS trade at all.

 

[GVC]

Neither player got anything longer than a 3 year deal but some team wanted them for their bird rights?

I just don't buy this notion that people were knocking the jazz door down to give is assets for them.

I haven't looked back at team needs, contracts, potential contention, etc., but is it that outrageous to think that a team would be willing to give up a lesser player on an expiring deal and a second round pick for Paul or Al?

 

[framer]

1. 2nd round picks are better than nothing.

2. If you re-read my post, you'll notice I said "worse players on expiring deals". Those deals may not have been available, sure, but they could have been traded for lesser players on expiring deals, which wouldn't have affected the GS trade at all.

I actually think that up until Golden State foolishly offered us 2 unprotected firsts, and 3 second rounders, keeping Paul was on the table. I'd have to go back and check the timing, but I believe doing that deal officially slammed the door on Paul. I have to think that with the emotions that Jazz ownership has shown, letting Paul go was very, very hard. I can respect and forgive that in them.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I actually think that up until Golden State foolishly offered us 2 unprotected firsts, and 3 second rounders, keeping Paul was on the table. I'd have to go back and check the timing, but I believe doing that deal officially slammed the door on Paul. I have to think that with the emotions that Jazz ownership has shown, letting Paul go was very, very hard. I can respect and forgive that in them.

You are 100% correct, sir. Paul and DeMarre both expected offers from Utah. And there were articles about the divide in the FO over Millsap. I think the "reload" philosophy of KOC was very much on the table. The decision to let Big AL go had been made, but the Jazz could have proceeded with a Favors/Millsap/Kanter rotation. And then gone after a vet PG to likely play in front of Burke until Trey was ready to run the team. During the first week of FA, the Jazz were linked to several players before they decided to go full rebuild.

 

[Stifle Tower]

You make it sound like DL is playing Utah Jazz Diplomacy and is not playing for a draw.

Not sure I understand what you meant. DL believes the Jazz had to rebuild, not try to "reload" with high-priced vets. He wanted to accumulate assets and have cap flexibility. He intentionally weakened the bench to insure the Jazz would have a top-10 draft pick in a strong draft. Even Greg Miller admitted the Jazz were willing to suffer through some short term pain. It was just the opposite under KOC: try to keep Utah competitive and fighting for the playoffs every season.