Conley is a chemistry problem and we should trade him

[Getting Traded]

I've picked up on some comments from other posters that I think are spot-on about Conley. Joe doesn't play as well with him in the game, and neither does Clarkson. When Mike is in, he dominates the ball a lot more than Mudiay, so consequently Clarkson is getting a lot less touches. In fact, Donovan gets Clarkson involved a lot more than Mike. Plus Mike still is unsure of who to pass to or where to be. Notice the crappy pass to Rudy, and being out of position on the break when Donovan looked for him on the 3-point line. His indecisiveness also showed with him slipping and another time in an unforced turnover. The guy has got to go. I much rather have Mudiay playing. Plus he's on the downside of his career and Mudiay has been steadily improving and has a lot more upside. The problem now is the same we faced with Dante. Who would want him with his jacked-up salary? It's like the saying we can't see the forest for the trees. All along we had Donovan and we kept looking for a PG, first it was going to be Dante, and now Conley. We've got two good PGs, Donovan and Mudiay, with Joe the PF. Let's get a solid third-stringer like Neto and find a team for Conley. Then we'll be set.

 

[mdalby]

There is no team in their right mind that would want Conley. We would have to add assets just for a team to take him. If he was on an expiring contract he would have some value as a trade asset but with that player option hanging over his head, he is pretty much untradable.

 

[Jingled]

With his contract we would have to give up assets to move him. For better or worse we're stuck with him.

 

[Truth]

Has he bulked up? People have described him as thin, but his arms look jacked to me. Maybe extra weight has him off balance?

 

[Getting Traded]

With his contract we would have to give up assets to move him. For better or worse we're stuck with him.

I know. I really think we ought to buy him out. Hey, do the Millers want a championship or not? They've got plenty of money.

 

[jom2003]

c'mon people. Ed davis and jeff green wouldn't sign here if it wasn't for Conley!!!

oh, wait......

 

[Joncolton]

Conley is certainly tradeable. The Pistons, Knicks, and Cavs would all be willing takers (especially Cleveland as there have been no takers for Kevin Love's contract). The Jazz need more help in rebounding than they do in ball handling.

I don't know why Mike Conley hasn't worked - it's one of those things that on paper should have been a perfect fit. Maybe he will find his groove with the team just in time. Maybe not, I hope he does. The dude has Jazz DNA. Crazy as it sounds, maybe Donovan missing a few games here and there might help Conley adjust, but you really can't do that. It'd be nuts.

 

[AverageJoe]

Wasn't a fan of the trade when it happened and nothings occurred to prove me wrong as of yet. His contract is an anchor and perennial talk of how "underrated" he is was a little disturbing for me when we made the transfer. Still rather have Rubio, Favors, Korver etc... for a song compared to what we pay Conley however I think we`re stuck with him. That said as of now despite the recent loss we are a winning team and i tend to be a glass half full fan and still hoping the best is to come for Mike and for the team. Fingers crossed.

Edit: Joncolton, didnt consider it but i would totally take Love for Conley straight up if its actually realistic, but im not sure it is. Could solve our centre concerns. (ill informed of his contract status though)

 

[Ron Mexico]

Conley looks a little lost at times. But it's athleticism looks fine. He was quick and cutting hard this game. Things will slow down for him and make us a better team. Give it another month and we will be rolling.

We didn't lose to Houston because of conley. The team played really sloppy and didn't seem to care until the end. They thought they could coast through the game and then turn it on at the end and win.

We need Conley to get minutes and get in rythym. Him playing well could get us a championship this year. He isn't washed, he just had one of his best years last year. He needs to stay healthy and learn the system. It takes time for a pg in Snyder's system. Especially a player like Conley.

 

[stormkoopacv03]

We're stuck with him, I don't think DL will trade him this year. He may not help us either during the playoffs. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Jazzmix]

At least he will be tradeble next season as an expiring contract. I am still hoping that he will find his place in our system, he played bad yesterday for sure, but so did most of the team.

 

[jazfan23]

I thought his effort was a lot better tonight ... but where he fits in is a problem ..

In Memphis , he played the pick and pop with a big that could shoot from range ... gobert isn’t that guy ... and conleys ability , or inability to find Gobert is a huge problem ..

When his shots are falling it kinda masks the problem ...

I’m not giving up on him yet ... I want to see what adjustments Snyder can do for him and the Jazz to make this work

 

[LoPo]

I got roasted for saying Conley was a bad idea. It was just too much to give up for a guy nobody really wanted. Bad business. Can he turn it around for a couple clutch moments in the playoffs? Sure, maybe. Still not worth his contract and definitely not worth two 1st round picks.

The only deal that makes sense for anybody: something around Conley and Davis for Batum and Zeller.

The contracts are close to matching up (this year and next). Charlotte actually saves a bit of money which is why they might do it. Zeller is a work horse who fits. Batum might be close to washed, but he can spread the floor as a big. Batum and Gobert have a long history playing in France together so maybe Rudy can light a fire under him.

Blake Griffin, John Wall, and Kevin Love just don't look realistic.



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[mellow]

It takes time for a pg in Snyder's system.

What concers me is the ammount of time it seems to be taking. I dont think this is just a system thing.

Clarkson seemed to pick things up pretty quick. If i have time later I'll dig up a few quotes for comparison. Clarkson says it is pretty simple to play Jazz basketball, Conley says it is complicated...requires a phd.

Sure they play slightly different roles but even if their roles were vastly different I gotta believe a training camp and half a season is plenty of time to catch on.

 

[LogGrad98]

Conley looks a little lost at times. But it's athleticism looks fine. He was quick and cutting hard this game. Things will slow down for him and make us a better team. Give it another month and we will be rolling.

We didn't lose to Houston because of conley. The team played really sloppy and didn't seem to care until the end. They thought they could coast through the game and then turn it on at the end and win.

We need Conley to get minutes and get in rythym. Him playing well could get us a championship this year. He isn't washed, he just had one of his best years last year. He needs to stay healthy and learn the system. It takes time for a pg in Snyder's system. Especially a player like Conley.

The concern is that during our recent successful run the last thing anyone said was "hey we really need another point guard to put us over the top". He was and remains a non-factor. He is redundant in the worst way, as in mudiay was playing better than Conley is now. We could have used mudiay last night to at least throw another big body at Gordon. I'm not saying mudiay would have won us the game, but with his effort and progress this season he has at least earned the PT. How has Conley earned the PT?

 

[LogGrad98]

I thought his effort was a lot better tonight ... but where he fits in is a problem ..

In Memphis , he played the pick and pop with a big that could shoot from range ... gobert isn’t that guy ... and conleys ability , or inability to find Gobert is a huge problem ..

When his shots are falling it kinda masks the problem ...

I’m not giving up on him yet ... I want to see what adjustments Snyder can do for him and the Jazz to make this work

Yeah the reason the Ingles/gobert pick and roll works is because Ingles can easily lob over the defense. Conley gets lost among the trees and cannot complete the play other than forcing up a heavily contested floater or layup. He also just plays too much iso ball. He is our new ball stopper.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I know. I really think we ought to buy him out. Hey, do the Millers want a championship or not? They've got plenty of money.

WTF does buying him out do?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I got roasted for saying Conley was a bad idea. It was just too much to give up for a guy nobody really wanted. Bad business. Can he turn it around for a couple clutch moments in the playoffs? Sure, maybe. Still not worth his contract and definitely not worth two 1st round picks.

The only deal that makes sense for anybody: something around Conley and Davis for Batum and Zeller.

The contracts are close to matching up (this year and next). Charlotte actually saves a bit of money which is why they might do it. Zeller is a work horse who fits. Batum might be close to washed, but he can spread the floor as a big. Batum and Gobert have a long history playing in France together so maybe Rudy can light a fire under him.

Blake Griffin, John Wall, and Kevin Love just don't look realistic.



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There would be more than a handful of deals if we really wanted to move him. Many better than this one.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Lol we lose one game and y'all lose your ****. It's hilarious. A game where every single player outside of Spyda played like absolute garbage.

 

[sgjazzfan]

Mudiay has taken a lot of time to slowly get better in the system, but he's still not great. I don't know if Conley is buying in or not. He looked OK for a stretch in November, but was inconsistent, then he got hurt. I still think his ceiling is higher than Mudiay for the Jazz, but no idea if he's willing to work to play the Jazz way. I know the Jazz looked a lot better without him, but the sample size is certainly skewed against Conley competition wise.

One thing we know if it takes time for PG to figure out how to play in the system, and they aren't going to get the same type of numbers, especially assist wise, as other systems. Rubio sucked for 3 months. Mitchell is slowly figuring it out the last 3 years. Mudiay wasn't good until about 2-3 weeks ago.

It's hard to know if what would happen if Conley didn't miss the stretch he did. Jazz didn't suddenly get better. It took cutting Green and benching Davis for them to really improve. Jazz weren't a negative with Conley on the floor in the starting lineup. Ingles couldn't play off the bench either.

Im not sure what the solution is. It's clear that the Jazz shouldn't have traded for Conley, but it's done now, and I don't see them benching him. I've wanted DM to be the PG since last season, but for some reason the Jazz seemed intent on keeping him at SG. I think they finally see it's better to have him at PG and surround him with more size and shooting.

I don't know if Bogdonovic comes to the Jazz without Conley Or not. If so, then obviously should have just kept Favors and signed Bojan. If not, then it was probably a net positive for the team, especially if they can resign Clarkson in the offseason. They should be able to trade Conley sometime during the next season with his expiring contract, and may get a piece in return to help the rotation.