Conservatives on this board: do you think this video is unfair to you?

[One Brow]

You really think Buffet and Soros are truly anti-capitalists?

So, you acknowledge they are not conservatives, but don't want to admit you were wrong, and changed your position to anti-capitalist, and thought no one would notice? Hmmmm.

Being successful at business is hardly luck.

Luck can ruin an other-wise well-run business, or help one that is less well-run. That's a different statement than 'Being successful at business is luck', but I don't expect you to argue about what I actually said. You are not honest enough, and your positions are not strong enough, to do that.

The whole video was about how unfair things are and the pyramid(hierarchy)idea is bad.

You may have watched it, but you definitely did not understand it. The video was about how the hierarchy is real, democracy is real, and that there is tension between the two concepts. That doesn't make the hierarchy bad or good.

But it still works 100x better than any socialism idea could ever dream of.

Socialized medicines in the various countries in Europe each has their own flaws, but one of them are out-performed by the US system, much less by a factor of 100.

Im open to idea to help things. But not open to the constant idiotic bashing of capitalism.

Nice to see we agree.

 

[One Brow]

I stopped at 1:33. Making arguments for conservatives as imagined by a liberal, not at all the arguments conservatives make.

It's more about the mindset conservatives seem to use when making those arguments than the arguments themselves, but I welcome any more detailed thoughts you have.

 

[One Brow]

I made it 11 minutes in. I guess if this is the alt-right then I never really understood the alt-right, and literally no one I know is alt-right even a tiny little bit. But I stopped when it basically said that conservatives just want people to be put in their place. That's just ******** generalization and intellectually dishonest and lazy. But it is a good example of collective back-patting.

It's part of a series about the alt-right, but as I acknowledged above, this video is not about the alt-right and is poorly titled.

I did not take away from the notion of "conservatives just want people to be put in their place". My understanding was that the system had already put people in "their place", that is, the level to which they inherently belonged, based on those people own ability to move, and that once people had been placed, they did not want to be unfairly ejected from it.

 

[LogGrad98]

It's part of a series about the alt-right, but as I acknowledged above, this video is not about the alt-right and is poorly titled.

I did not take away from the notion of "conservatives just want people to be put in their place". My understanding was that the system had already put people in "their place", that is, the level to which they inherently belonged, based on those people own ability to move, and that once people had been placed, they did not want to be unfairly ejected from it.

At about the 11 minute mark he says, almost in this words. At 10:47 he says "conservatives chalk up everything wrong in the world today to people not being where they should be in the social order" and blaming that on the Spectre of "socialism". I think that is demonstrably false, at least what I know about conservatives. I guess if this is about the alt-right then I suppose this is purely a "lunatic fringe" thing and could be compared to the other videos in the other thread drastically over-simplifying the socialist view that "everyone should be equal in everything" regardless of the overall impact to society and the economy, which is also demonstrably false.

 

[One Brow]

At about the 11 minute mark he says, almost in this words. At 10:47 he says "conservatives chalk up everything wrong in the world today to people not being where they should be in the social order" and blaming that on the Spectre of "socialism". I think that is demonstrably false, at least what I know about conservatives. I guess if this is about the alt-right then I suppose this is purely a "lunatic fringe" thing and could be compared to the other videos in the other thread drastically over-simplifying the socialist view that "everyone should be equal in everything" regardless of the overall impact to society and the economy, which is also demonstrably false.

Just proceeding that, he had the take that the conservative mindset says "power has to be earned", and the point about people not being where they belong in the social order is, to my understanding, connected to this concept: They have not earned their position in the hierarchy, but been lifted into without earning it.

I agree these are very simplified, and I believe the speaker was careful to say he was discussing tendencies as opposed to hard-and-fast-rules, but perhaps not often enough.

So, do you feel as though you can speak on this for the conservatives (who seem to be absent from any meaningful conversation in here so far) you know? If not I understand.

If so, putting the "everything" aside (I'm sure most conservatives don't blame hurricanes on disturbances in the social order), do you think that the conservatives you know have a belief in this sort of hierarchy (perhaps saying something along the lines of "the cream rises to the top")?

 

[LogGrad98]

Just proceeding that, he had the take that the conservative mindset says "power has to be earned", and the point about people not being where they belong in the social order is, to my understanding, connected to this concept: They have not earned their position in the hierarchy, but been lifted into without earning it.

I agree these are very simplified, and I believe the speaker was careful to say he was discussing tendencies as opposed to hard-and-fast-rules, but perhaps not often enough.

So, do you feel as though you can speak on this for the conservatives (who seem to be absent from any meaningful conversation in here so far) you know? If not I understand.

If so, putting the "everything" aside (I'm sure most conservatives don't blame hurricanes on disturbances in the social order), do you think that the conservatives you know have a belief in this sort of hierarchy (perhaps saying something along the lines of "the cream rises to the top")?

None of the conservatives I know would feel this way imo. I think the attitude is more along the lines of we shouldn't begrudge people what they can earn, but I don't know anyone who feels like anyone who gets a hand up didn't "earn" it and therefore doesn't "deserve" a higher "station". In fact I know maybe 1 or 2 people who might buy into the social order part of this at all. I mean the guy implied strongly a belief in a connection between financial status and individual worth from the side of conservatives and I think that is largely not correct. At least I don't know anyone with that explicit belief, or anyone that is open about it anyway. I certainly feel that we can do a lot more to level the playing field and help each other out to our mutual benefit, as opposed to purely existing in a sink-or-swim/every-man-for-himself environment.

 

[One Brow]

None of the conservatives I know would feel this way imo. I think the attitude is more along the lines of we shouldn't begrudge people what they can earn, but I don't know anyone who feels like anyone who gets a hand up didn't "earn" it and therefore doesn't "deserve" a higher "station". In fact I know maybe 1 or 2 people who might buy into the social order part of this at all. I mean the guy implied strongly a belief in a connection between financial status and individual worth from the side of conservatives and I think that is largely not correct. At least I don't know anyone with that explicit belief, or anyone that is open about it anyway. I certainly feel that we can do a lot more to level the playing field and help each other out to our mutual benefit, as opposed to purely existing in a sink-or-swim/every-man-for-himself environment.

Thank you.

 

[Alfalfa]

I didn't watch the video, but the alt-right is an ethno-nationalist movement, not an economic one. I noticed a lot of people using it to refer to conservatives in general, many of whom do not identify at all with the alt-right. In fact, the alt-right is generally hostile to libertarian conservatives.

In alt-right circles, they sometimes mention "day of the rope" from WS novel The Turner Diaries, on which mainstream Americans, including conservatives, are hung in the streets for being race traitors.

 

[The Thriller]

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[Hotdog]

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No thanks. Probably just propaganda trash.

No need to obsess about a non issue.

 

[Scat]

"the cream rises to the top"

Worst saying ever. Crap floats as well.

 

[Harambe]

Maybe the main difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals can stand to listen to 20+ minutes of that ****.

We agree. It's likely that liberals have a longer attention span. There's a significantly disproportionate number of liberal academics than their conservative counterpart.

 

[Stoked]

We agree. It's likely that liberals have a longer attention span. There's a significantly disproportionate number of liberal academics than their conservative counterpart.

Attention spans? Hahaha. Obviously you haven’t been in a deer stand for 8 hours.

 

[Harambe]

Attention spans? Hahaha. Obviously you haven’t been in a deer stand for 8 hours.

One guy in a tree stand has a shot.

More than one turns into a series of dick and fart jokes.