**Corbin-->D. Lindsey--> K.O.C.--> G. Miller (the problems of the organization)

[franklin]

The clutchfans trolls think the young kids are all stars but they'd be a bottom three team next year. Keep piling it on.

 

[fishonjazz]

The clutchfans trolls think the young kids are all stars but they'd be a bottom three team next year. Keep piling it on.

Clutchfanz?.... houston rockets fans?
So rockets fans think harden, lin, parsons, asik ect are good.... I tend to agree with and dont think they will be a bottom three team next year, especially since it looks like they will finish as the 7th seed in the playoffs this year

 

[Ellipse]

From a local fan's perspective, the owner's job is to keep the team in the city; Greg is doing his part.

 

[Lakers_Slapper]

10 years? Surely you can remember the western conference finals team like 5 years ago? And the team that won one round for two years after that? We had a pretty good team. In fact, we lost to the lakers three years in a row. Two years of that, the Lakers won the title, the other year, they went to the finals. We were definitely not the best team in the league, but at least top five for a bit. We have not been rebuilding for 10 years. We have been without our dynamic duo for 10 years, but a whole different build of a team has come and gone since then.

Your right we "had" a good team. Where does that leave us now? And no I didn't forget about the "success" you claim We've had for ten years.
2012-13 Utah 42 - 38 .525 3rd Northwest Division - -2011-12 * Utah 36 - 30 .545 3rd Northwest Division 0 - 4 .000 Lost West Conf 1st Rd 2010-11 Utah 39 - 43 .476 4th Northwest Division - - DNQ 2009-10 Utah 53 - 29 .646 2nd Northwest Division 4 - 6 .400 Lost West Conf Semis 2008-09 Utah 48 - 34 .585 3rd Northwest Division 1 - 4 .200 Lost West Conf 1st Rd 2007-08 Utah 54 - 28 .659 1st Northwest Division 6 - 6 .500 Lost West Conf Semis 2006-07 Utah 51 - 31 .622 1st Northwest Division 9 - 8 .529 Lost West Conf Finals 2005-06 Utah 41 - 41 .500 2nd Northwest Division - - DNQ 2004-05 Utah 26 - 56 .317 5th Northwest Division - - DNQ 2003-04 Utah 42 - 40 .512 7th Midwest Division - - DNQ 2002-03 Utah 47 - 35 .573 4th Midwest Division 1 - 4 .200 Lost West Conf 1st Rd

You need proof?v here you go

 

[SojoDave]

Hey everyone, don't forget that the Jazz have flexibility. That's what they keep telling everyone. At least we can win most flexible team.

 

[gregbroncs]

From a local fan's perspective, the owner's job is to keep the team in the city; Greg is doing his part.

Is he? Because he specifically and the media he controls has kind of indicated that they might be in trouble if the fans even sort of start to show dissent. They have responded to criticism by threatening the fan base, and calling us lucky to even have a team in the state. This screams of an owner who is starting to see cracks in this teams future here.

 

[silesian]

facts?

He listens to anything KOC had to say even when it means denying Karl Malone the position of training our young big men. If you remember Karl requested coming on board to train the big men and KOC said he was too "unreliable" to be a part of the organization. Give me a break! This guy played through injuries for over a decade with the Utah jazz because of his dedication for the team.

Okay, let's get the basic facts straight on who said what.

https://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/...er-says-lying-karl-malone-unreliable-unstable

 

[silesian]

Not a huge Ty fan, but it seems to me our talent and experience match pretty well with our record. In isolation, that would seem to indicate that he is an average coach (or, a bit less generously, mediocre).

 

[gregbroncs]

Not a huge Ty fan, but it seems to me our talent and experience match pretty well with our record. In isolation, that would seem to indicate that he is an average coach (or, a bit less generously, mediocre).

Please explain this team being worse this year than last year. Especially since this is his 1st year having an off season to prepare. With more talent than last year. With an improving set of young players. With every advantage to improve, this team is worse than last year. So it seems to me the more time Ty has with this team the worse it gets. Regardless of other factors.
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Serously to the people defending TY. Please explain this.

 

[franklin]

Please explain this team being worse this year than last year. Especially since this is his 1st year having an off season to prepare. With more talent than last year. With an improving set of young players. With every advantage to improve, this team is worse than last year. So it seems to me the more time Ty has with this team the worse it gets. Regardless of other factors.
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Serously to the people defending TY. Please explain this.

Deavin Harris.

My heavens.

 

[silesian]

response.

Please explain this team being worse this year than last year. Especially since this is his 1st year having an off season to prepare. With more talent than last year. With an improving set of young players. With every advantage to improve, this team is worse than last year. So it seems to me the more time Ty has with this team the worse it gets. Regardless of other factors.

First, I'm no Ty supporter, but the facts are that our starting 5 is inferior to the starting 5 of most NBA teams, last year and this year. We have a lot of players who would be great 3rd and 4th options, how many should be "go to"? Fact is we have good, not great talent for Ty to work with.

Second, the Jazz may be slightly worse than last year, but I'd argue they are about the same year over year. 15th best record this year and last year, 2% lower win % (0.545 versus 0.525). Seems like within the margin of error of "about the same"

Do you really think the roster is significantly better than last year? Sure some kids are developing, but that is a gradual process. Milsap's performance is clearly down year over year, is Marvin>> Howard? Is Foye>> CJ/ Bell? Is Mo>> Devin? Maybe a bit better in some cases, but none of these were major upgrades.

 

[gregbroncs]

First, I'm no Ty supporter, but the facts are that our starting 5 is inferior to the starting 5 of most NBA teams, last year and this year. We have a lot of players who would be great 3rd and 4th options, how many should be "go to"? Fact is we have good, not great talent for Ty to work with.

Second, the Jazz may be slightly worse than last year, but I'd argue they are about the same year over year. 15th best record this year and last year, 2% lower win % (0.545 versus 0.525). Seems like within the margin of error of "about the same"

Do you really think the roster is significantly better than last year? Sure some kids are developing, but that is a gradual process. Milsap's performance is clearly down year over year, is Marvin>> Howard? Is Foye>> CJ/ Bell? Is Mo>> Devin? Maybe a bit better in some cases, but none of these were major upgrades.

yes the roster is superior this year. Mo and Harris is a wash. Foye, Williams are much better than Howard, CJ and Bell. Also the young guys have played better this year than last (in less minutes for some idiotic reason). Both Mo and Harris missed games throughout the season so that's not an excuse either. This team added shooting (thought to be our main problem last year) and defense. Yet they are worse. The record is worse and the offense and defense look worse.
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The only reason we are even in the conversation for the playoffs right now is the epic fail by the Lakers and their superteam.

 

[silesian]

some facts

Also the young guys have played better this year than last (in less minutes for some idiotic reason). .

Minutes per game increase compared to last year: Kanter 17%, Burks 12%, Favors 9%. Only Hayward is down slightly and he is at 29.3.

 

[b_line]

First, I'm no Ty supporter, but the facts are that our starting 5 is inferior to the starting 5 of most NBA teams, last year and this year. We have a lot of players who would be great 3rd and 4th options, how many should be "go to"? Fact is we have good, not great talent for Ty to work with.

Second, the Jazz may be slightly worse than last year, but I'd argue they are about the same year over year. 15th best record this year and last year, 2% lower win % (0.545 versus 0.525). Seems like within the margin of error of "about the same"

Do you really think the roster is significantly better than last year? Sure some kids are developing, but that is a gradual process. Milsap's performance is clearly down year over year, is Marvin>> Howard? Is Foye>> CJ/ Bell? Is Mo>> Devin? Maybe a bit better in some cases, but none of these were major upgrades.

Al and millsap are definitely top half of the league at their positions. If you are going to claim that millsap has declined from his peak significantly, please do so quantitatively. He is basically the same player he was and is. 3/5 of our starting five has been terrible most of the year. Until Hayward got the start that is. Al, millsap and Hayward are good players. All the other players that have started significant games suck.

 

[gregbroncs]

Minutes per game increase compared to last year: Kanter 17%, Burks 12%, Favors 9%. Only Hayward is down slightly and he is at 29.3.

Now compare MPG when both Al and Millsap are healthy. Don't forget to add Burks DNP-CD into your calculations. When we are healthy our youth have played less. Millsap and Jefferson have both been injured more this season and that more than accounts for the increased minutes for both Favors and Kanter. Burks I have a feeling is less if you count his DNP's. Hayward in no way shape or form should be down in minutes.
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So your "facts" are skewed due to circumstance.

 

[Stoked]

Deavin Harris.

My heavens.

Hahahaha. Nice.

 

[Stoked]

First, I'm no Ty supporter, but the facts are that our starting 5 is inferior to the starting 5 of most NBA teams, last year and this year. We have a lot of players who would be great 3rd and 4th options, how many should be "go to"? Fact is we have good, not great talent for Ty to work with.

Second, the Jazz may be slightly worse than last year, but I'd argue they are about the same year over year. 15th best record this year and last year, 2% lower win % (0.545 versus 0.525). Seems like within the margin of error of "about the same"

Do you really think the roster is significantly better than last year? Sure some kids are developing, but that is a gradual process. Milsap's performance is clearly down year over year, is Marvin>> Howard? Is Foye>> CJ/ Bell? Is Mo>> Devin? Maybe a bit better in some cases, but none of these were major upgrades.

I think the roster is better. Mo is an upgrade over Harris, our 3pt shooting is vastly improved, the Core are better and Raja is not playing. So yes this roster is better than last years.

 

[silesian]

Milsap stats

If you are going to claim that millsap has declined from his peak significantly, please do so quantitatively. He is basically the same player he was and is..

Milsap's PER is down 9%
Steal rate is down 25%
Rebounding rate is down 13%
Turnover rate is up 10%
Scoring rate is down 5%
Went from a respectable free throw shooter (0.792) to flat out mediocre (0.744)

You can find a silver lining in blocked shots and assists.

By the way, I'm a Milsap fan, just think his year is below last.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

No one thinks having 7 FA's on this years roster didn't have some kind of affect on the overall team play, again this isn't a video game. People are affected by such things and it affects their play accordingly. Hard to keep a team together I would think with so many different players and there personal interests vs team interests.