Corbin losing the team?
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Powshredder
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This. It couldn't be something regarding a trade, because we've seen what kind of class KOC has for those things (I.E. D-Will). IMO, it's something to do with Raja not receiving enough playing time. He said earlier this year that "He just needs my touches", and for the past couple of games, he hasn't played much. But, then again, maybe they are discussing if Raja would like to be traded?? Hmmm....*Eats handful of popcorn*
candrew
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The other day Matt Harpring made a statement how The Jazz went from the best 4th quarter defensive team in the NBA in January to the worst defensive team in February. Now I don't know what exact statistic he was associating with this statement (I'm guessing just points allowed); but to me this illustrates a glaring problem with the coaching staff..
Now ultimately the players play; but to go from best to worst defensive team in a month shows me the league is making adjustments that the coaching staff is either not recognizing or has no ability to counter move.
I won't go as far to say Corbin should be fired; but he clearly needs a veteran coach on his staff to help him through things like this. The fact that he chose Sidney Lowe disturbed me from the start being that guy has never won anything anywhere as a coach.
Lowe should go and they should talk Phil Johnson into coming back as an assitant - even Chisea would be a step in the right direction. If that doesn't work then Corbin should go next.
Now ultimately the players play; but to go from best to worst defensive team in a month shows me the league is making adjustments that the coaching staff is either not recognizing or has no ability to counter move.
I won't go as far to say Corbin should be fired; but he clearly needs a veteran coach on his staff to help him through things like this. The fact that he chose Sidney Lowe disturbed me from the start being that guy has never won anything anywhere as a coach.
Lowe should go and they should talk Phil Johnson into coming back as an assitant - even Chisea would be a step in the right direction. If that doesn't work then Corbin should go next.
Along the lines of things changing and adjustments, it has been odd to see the Jazz now start Q1 fairly well when they had been starting terribly for 1.5 years. But now they are getting hammered after half-time. That suggests the other team is making adjustments at the half and the Jazz cannot counter them.
Mission Accomplished
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*-----------------========== Told you that KOC would hold on to players like raja til he explodes. What a great environment for our young players we have selfish players, complainers, and players going awol. And all you can do is beg for a new head coach. It is the deck that he is stacked against him. KOC has giving him a mix of selfish vets with youth that needs time to develop. Now you are saying that it is his fault that RAja is mad yet you are the same person that says Raja needs to sit so Burks can play. LOL KOC is the coolist.
Stifle Tower
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Yea, pretty much. It's not even a debate anymore. When 99% of posters are all in agreement about illogical rotations, lack of PT, etc., you have to think something is amiss. We're not experts, but I'd like to think most of us, just by virtue of being on a basketball/Jazz board, probably are pretty representative of the feelings of the average fans in the stands. If so, the natives are VERY restless. It woiuld behoove Mr. Miller and Mr. O'Connor to take note before attendance and season ticket sales start to drop.
mellow
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My intial thought was -PKM is reaching. So I tried to recall other times that coach, player, agent & GM meet together. There was the famous Jerry, AK and KOC meeting, where after 7 years together they decided that AK couldn't understand Jerry because of a language barrier. And I think there might have been an Arryo meeting before he was traded away. So maybe it doesn't happen that often.
And the only recent instance that comes to mind was Big Al going off on the media last spring then storming out of the post game interviews. Jazz had Al and his agent in for a meeting within hours to discuss the issue. I don't think Coach Corbin was involved.
But still it might be a reach to say this demonstrates Ty's inability to manage the team, we need more details about the confrontation and the resolution before I'm willing to commit.
Wait, are you saying the average fan is the average armchair coach with an obsession of posting less than average intelligence on a message board?
You dip****s would go Charlotte on the stadium if Ty and KOC gave you what you ask for.
NAOS
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I'm glad we're finding some differences.
I want the team to win. Now and always. And, I finally feel as though I have the data to make a case against Ty; he's not maximizing what he has, and he's not consistent with the small number of things (too few!) he's trying to implement.
It's really that simple. We're not getting better. On-the-floor chemistry is obviously bad. He hasn't once catered to the limited and developing skillsets of the youth. Bloody basic stuff, IMO.
EDIT TO ADD: are you saying that the stagnant offense of the youth has nothing to do with Ty? That's an ungenerous reading of what you said, but it's still possible to see your post in that way. I'm automatically giving you more credit than that, because saying such a thing is pretty ridiculous. Coaching is at the heart of that.
Fair enough to blame some on the coach. It's a professional league, however, and 98% of the winning comes from the players. The coach might be the guy who puts it into championship mode but it is always the players winning the games.
How did that Dallas team actually win last year? Spoelstra wasn't the one choking on pride and arrogance. I also thought Thibodeau was Thee Genius. Did he win last season? Or was it Lebron who shut down Premie MVP? Did the coach who "never underachieves" win with prime Shaq and Kobe, two defensive stud HOFers, and a more than adequate supporting cast?
Talent is everything in this league. If these guys can't run the offense then they just aren't talented enough to do so.
NAOS
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We have enough talent to run AN OFFENSE. Is it the one-dimensional, inside-out post offense that we've been watching all season? It doesn't look like it. So, someone with power should think about changing things a little bit.
GVC
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Have you noticed how Earl looks off Favors in the post, even when he's calling for the ball, and chooses instead to pound the ball into the paint willy-nilly or give the ball up to CJ? All Ty needs to do is tell Earl to feed Derrick in the post, and if he doesn't, bench his ***. He apparently is doing neither, even though the bench continues to stick with terrible offense in the halfcourt, and Favors has shown that when he gets consistent touches he produces.
ugh.
So coaches matter not at all? Fire them all, put the towel boy on the bench to handles substitutions. I wonder why anyone pays them millions of dollars? And it is pure coincidence that some coaches have numerous rings while most have none. Lets ask Phil and Pops and Red to give back their paychecks.
Of course the players have to be the ones to execute what the coach has put in place. But if the coach cannot get professional athletes to do things that they learned in 8th grade, like set screens, box out, and defend the lane, then that coach has failed. Either that or he has a team composed completely of brain-dead or incooperative players.
Does anyone here think the Bulls would look aa good with Corbin as the coach?
aybars
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yes,we should switch coaches,i hope chicago people reads this
aybars
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with Corbin,bell and Miles,they would be in the finals every year
The Thriller
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I think the issue here is something that we've talked about a lot...
What is the mission of this franchise? What is the goal of this season?
Is it to make a push for the playoffs? Is it to appease the vets? Is it to develop the young talent?
The players are upset because they receive mixed messages from the ownership and coaching.
They are told to be accountable. Guys like Kanter are benched at first mistake. Then, you see guys like Bell and Jefferson committing the same error over and over and over again without any recuperation. we lose games that we shouldn't, like against NO, and the starting lineup receives no punishment. I'm sorry, but if Big Al and Millsap wanna pout or take nights off, it's time to bench'em in favor of Kanter, Favors, and Evans.
We are told that we are trying to make the playoffs... Win! Yet, the coach's rotations do anything but put us in a place to win. His strategies scream complete incompetence. How the hell do you let Korver go off? How do you not draw up some isos to expose him? How do you not expose boozer? How does Favors only get 1 shot attempt against Chicago? Why is the offense so Jefferson oriented? Perhaps players would be more excited to play if they knew that the playbook used would put them into the best position to have success? Instead, I see a system designed to make Jefferson successful and no one else.
What is the franchise trying to do here? Are they planning on making a championship run in a few years? Or are they merely content with making a buck?
If Corbin wants respect, then act like a coach. It's time. The honeymoon is over. Time to bench, time to reward, time to draw up new plays, time to adjust strategy, time to expose the opponent. Stop just rollin the ball out at practice and going with the same ol same ol.
If Greggy wants fan support, then it's time to cut the secrecy and communicate to Jazz fans.
If KOC wants support, it's time to make it clear that you have a plan. Instead, I see a chicken walking around with its head cut off. We're split, almost 50/50 with vets and youngsters. Gotta make a decision NOW. Are you rebuilding or making a playoff run? If you're rebuilding, it's time to trade the vets, and get rebuilding pieces.
What is the mission of this franchise? What is the goal of this season?
Is it to make a push for the playoffs? Is it to appease the vets? Is it to develop the young talent?
The players are upset because they receive mixed messages from the ownership and coaching.
They are told to be accountable. Guys like Kanter are benched at first mistake. Then, you see guys like Bell and Jefferson committing the same error over and over and over again without any recuperation. we lose games that we shouldn't, like against NO, and the starting lineup receives no punishment. I'm sorry, but if Big Al and Millsap wanna pout or take nights off, it's time to bench'em in favor of Kanter, Favors, and Evans.
We are told that we are trying to make the playoffs... Win! Yet, the coach's rotations do anything but put us in a place to win. His strategies scream complete incompetence. How the hell do you let Korver go off? How do you not draw up some isos to expose him? How do you not expose boozer? How does Favors only get 1 shot attempt against Chicago? Why is the offense so Jefferson oriented? Perhaps players would be more excited to play if they knew that the playbook used would put them into the best position to have success? Instead, I see a system designed to make Jefferson successful and no one else.
What is the franchise trying to do here? Are they planning on making a championship run in a few years? Or are they merely content with making a buck?
If Corbin wants respect, then act like a coach. It's time. The honeymoon is over. Time to bench, time to reward, time to draw up new plays, time to adjust strategy, time to expose the opponent. Stop just rollin the ball out at practice and going with the same ol same ol.
If Greggy wants fan support, then it's time to cut the secrecy and communicate to Jazz fans.
If KOC wants support, it's time to make it clear that you have a plan. Instead, I see a chicken walking around with its head cut off. We're split, almost 50/50 with vets and youngsters. Gotta make a decision NOW. Are you rebuilding or making a playoff run? If you're rebuilding, it's time to trade the vets, and get rebuilding pieces.
LunaticWolf
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I haven't seen Paul set a good pick and roll screen in a really long time. He always slips the screen