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Corruption of the media getting worse and worse

dalamon said:
yeah, it's unfortunate you lacked the foresight to vote for a man clearly unfit for leadership.
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Let me preface this by saying I voted for neither Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. I voted 3rd party.

This post annoys me because it almost assumes that Hillary Clinton was fit for leadership. She was a terrible candidate and the epitome of what we would consider a part of that swamp in Washington. I didn't like her and I don't like him for that matter. As an American though, I would wish either the best as President of the United States(just as I did with President Obama even if I disagreed with him on most issues) because that's what patriots do regardless of how the vote comes out. I take offense to your post here and previous posts because it assumes everything has been fantastic for everyone in our nation(including people that happen to be white that are being demonized by people of your own political beliefs). Rather than understanding their suffering under the current administration you would rather write them off, call them racist, or ignore their desires for their country. It's ignorance and arrogance.

Another thing I find equally annoying is people that aren't even Americans telling us how we should or shouldn't have voted. It's our choice to vote for the candidate we want to lead us. It's not the choice of the Canadians or the British for that matter. If you don't like our choice who cares? You're not an American. It's not up to you. You better learn to live with it because that's the person we chose. You didn't see me preaching to you about what a mistake Canada made in electing Justin Trudeau. I have faith Canadians voted for the person they felt best served their needs and I leave that judgement to them rather than snipe at the man or his voters. I wish you would allow Americans the same courtesy. This isn't just aimed at you. It's aimed at anyone that isn't American that thinks we as a nation are too stupid to elect our own Presidents just because you disagree with that President's ideology that you do not yourself hold. I don't for one minute buy this is all just about the man we did elect because of his past deplorable comments. I believe it's more about Conservative ideology in general. I truly believe had it been Marco Rubio you would still find a way to hate the man. That's sad. When did it stop being okay to respectfully disagree with others? Now both sides resort to demonizing the other.
 
trigg3r said:
Another thing I find equally annoying is people that aren't even Americans telling us how we should or shouldn't have voted.
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me being a small gov guy, and a non american i tottally agree and get that.

but the american gov has a lot to do with other countries. decision american voters make affect other countries heavily

for example recently usa obama, did 2 monumentally stupid things. regarding giving the internet away, and abstaining from voting on the UN resolution.

so yeah whoever is leader of America influences me personally. on the other hand I would totally get it if a for example hatian or other irrelevant(to the world) country-m,an said it. because lets be honest. whoever is the Haitian president doesn't influence u or me.

thats why i follow your election closely, and have my opinion on it.


but to be honest i should actually stfu about obama care because that doesnt influence me, or does it :P
 
DutchJazzer said:
me being a small gov guy, and a non american i tottally agree and get that.

but the american gov has a lot to do with other countries. decision american voters make affect other countries heavily

for example recently usa obama, did 2 monumentally stupid things. regarding giving the internet away, and abstaining from voting on the UN resolution.

so yeah whoever is leader of America influences me personally. on the other hand I would totally get it if a for example hatian or other irrelevant(to the world) country-m,an said it. because lets be honest. whoever is the Haitian president doesn't influence u or me.

thats why i follow your election closely, and have my opinion on it.


but to be honest i should actually stfu about obama care because that doesnt influence me, or does it :P
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It's not that you or dala have an opinion. It's the fact that we as Americans should decide our direction as a nation and the second guessing by others nations or their citizens gets quite annoying. I know that we have influence in other countries. That's undeniable. That being said, I just hate it when others tell us what we should or should not believe just because their country doesn't believe in the same thing or they don't for that matter. You're free to have an opinion. I just get a little agitated when the blame game is played by some that we are somehow what is wrong with the world. Do I wish we intervened in conflicts in the world much less than we do? Of course I do. However, I believe in my heart that this is the greatest nation in the history of mankind. I bet you believe the same in regards to Holland and that's perfectly fine. Like I said, I am just tired of the constant criticism. We voted. It's time to accept that and rather than attacking the person we voted for maybe people should just hope for the best and criticize only when criticism is necessary.
 
trigg3r said:
It's not that you or dala have an opinion. It's the fact that we as Americans should decide our direction as a nation and the second guessing by others nations or their citizens gets quite annoying. I know that we have influence in other countries. That's undeniable. That being said, I just hate it when others tell us what we should or should not believe just because their country doesn't believe in the same thing or they don't for that matter. You're free to have an opinion. I just get a little agitated when the blame game is played by some that we are somehow what is wrong with the world. Do I wish we intervened in conflicts in the world much less than we do? Of course I do. However, I believe in my heart that this is the greatest nation in the history of mankind. I bet you believe the same in regards to Holland and that's perfectly fine. Like I said, I am just tired of the constant criticism. We voted. It's time to accept that and rather than attacking the person we voted for maybe people should just hope for the best and criticize only when criticism is necessary.
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well i hold citizen ship in 3-sish countries. and no Holland is not the greatest nation on earth.
i say 3-ish. because i hold 2 but can at a moment notice by writing a letter gain a another nationality. but maybe lose 1 or other 2 in progress.

i don't like nations who are against liberty.

America is not perfect but it is closest to liberty. or at least it was. it is sad to see it moving away from liberty more and more. for example obamacare is a step away from liberty even though it does not influence me!

i dont think holland is the greatest ountry. we have no right to self defence, no freedom of speech. and also forced healthcare. no middleclas because of socialist tax system and redistribution of wealth.



someone making:
1) 15.000 a year. after taxes and some redistribution of somehow has about 21000 to spend(gets subsidies)
2) 21.000 a year. after taxes and some redistribution of wealth gets to keep 26000
3) 42.000 a year. after taxes and some redistribution of wealth gets to keep 30.000(yes double your salary by 21000, get to keep 4000)
4) 50.000 a year. after taxes and some redistribution of wealth gets to keep 33.000


"modaal income" something I guess like median income is 36000.
minimum wage for full time is 18000.


so yeah if your unskilled and doing minimum wage full time you get 18000. but the government adds about 6000 to that getting a nice 24000

then why the **** bother going to school, getting a nice middle class job to get to 50.000 salary and then the govs takes and your left with
30.000 only 6000 more than some bum!



thats socialism, so when i see the greatest country on earth going for bernie, i stand here screaming and telling you WTF dont DO THAT!


but i digress!



as a conservatarian I understand you totally
 
DutchJazzer said:
well i hold citizen ship in 3-sish countries. and no Holland is not the greatest nation on earth.
i say 3-ish. because i hold 2 but can at a moment notice by writing a letter gain a another nationality. but maybe lose 1 or other 2 in progress.

i don't like nations who are against liberty.

America is not perfect but it is closest to liberty. or at least it was. it is sad to see it moving away from liberty more and more. for example obamacare is a step away from liberty even though it does not influence me!

i dont think holland is the greatest ountry. we have no right to self defence, no freedom of speech. and also forced healthcare. no middleclas because of socialist tax system and redistribution of wealth.



someone making:
1) 15.000 a year. after taxes and some redistribution of somehow has about 21000 to spend(gets subsidies)
2) 21.000 a year. after taxes and some redistribution of wealth gets to keep 26000
3) 42.000 a year. after taxes and some redistribution of wealth gets to keep 30.000(yes double your salary by 21000, get to keep 4000)
4) 50.000 a year. after taxes and some redistribution of wealth gets to keep 33.000


"modaal income" something I guess like median income is 36000.
minimum wage for full time is 18000.


so yeah if your unskilled and doing minimum wage full time you get 18000. but the government adds about 6000 to that getting a nice 24000

then why the **** bother going to school, getting a nice middle class job to get to 50.000 salary and then the govs takes and your left with
30.000 only 6000 more than some bum!



thats socialism, so when i see the greatest country on earth going for bernie, i stand here screaming and telling you WTF dont DO THAT!


but i digress!



as a conservatarian I understand you totally
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You make the assumption that humans are inherently lazy. I disagree.
 
DutchJazzer said:
but why work a lot more for not so much more money
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Fair enough, but everyone's reality is different and our reality is what is real. I know people who make insane amounts of money. One guy could work 2 days a week and take home over $300,000 a year. But, instead, he works 5 days for $400,000.

That seems dumb, right? But, more is more. If you work and make $40,000 and take home $4,000 extra, that is still $4,000 extra. That is an extra $300 a month.

Also, at those wages, your housing and food stay consistent, whereas in America, if you double your income you get that extra money and most of us put that into a house and car and our actual living doesn't increase by much. So, if you stay at the same house and drive the same car, but get an extra $300 a month, well, that is a lot of extra cash.

So, that is a disjointed reason to work a lot more for a little more money.
 
ok let me put it this way, if i make money by moving heavy stones around.
everyday i move 100 stones. 8 hours a day and make there about 2000 bucks a month

now lets say i could work another 4 hours and move 50 stones. but only get 200 bucks extra.

would i lose my time with those, or go and do some leisury stuff, fishing, sport, spent time with family or whatever.

well guess what i'm not lazy. i am the opposite of lazy, but for 200 bucks screw that.

you might say this is a stupid thing.
but thats why in this country there is a shortage of teachers. because this is what happening with teachers all around! instead of stones it is amount of classes they teach :D
 
DutchJazzer said:
ok let me put it this way, if i make money by moving heavy stones around.
everyday i move 100 stones. 8 hours a day and make there about 2000 bucks a month

now lets say i could work another 4 hours and move 50 stones. but only get 200 bucks extra.

would i lose my time with those, or go and do some leisury stuff, fishing, sport, spent time with family or whatever.

well guess what i'm not lazy. i am the opposite of lazy, but for 200 bucks screw that.

you might say this is a stupid thing.
but thats why in this country there is a shortage of teachers. because this is what happening with teachers all around! instead of stones it is amount of classes they teach :D
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I agree about the teachers. Especially in Utah. It's ridiculous how little they get paid. But, heaven forbid we have a lottery or raise a tax to set up our future.

It's all relative, right? Sure, moving stones might not be worth the extra money. But, what if you work in an office and you go in an extra day for that extra money? Much more palpable.
 
green said:
I agree about the teachers. Especially in Utah. It's ridiculous how little they get paid. But, heaven forbid we have a lottery or legalize pot.
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Lottery actually helping education is unfortunately a proven fallacy. Shown in multiple states that before and after lottery implementation has about same funds going into education.
 
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