Cotton Making Life Difficult for Trey Burke
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Red
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You keep calling him a "pass first" guy, but last Thursday night in the Jazz SL final, who did the coaches tell to take it to 'em.? Who went to the free throw 11 times in the Miami game? Who gets into the paint for his shot almost anytime he wants? You've got yourself a guard who is so quick, he might as well be a blur out on the court, and he's a good shot who knows how to get himself open, and he can get to the line like that?? You don't think that means points for the second unit?
10-11 from the line in the last game, 8-9 the game before.
I'm sure you don't really mean it, but you're just demonstrating a complete lack of faith in Bryce Cotton. Haven't you been watching him? Do you think Quin Snyder is clueless?? What do you want, 40 minutes a game? You should at least know by now that you are not going to keep Bryce Cotton off the court. Why send him to a losing team? The players here apparently feel like a family. Embrace the opportunity to be part of that.
I'll tell you this as well. Bryce won't be a starter, but he will be a leader on this team. Bryce will be one of the leaders on this team. He fires guys up. He fires the fans up. Make the roster, and before the season is out, he will be a leader, a fan favorite, and you will see him get the headlines now and then. Because you know putting him in the game at the right time will bring great results.
Red
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@GoFriars, lost on the bench, not enough minutes??
This is more like it:
https://panicbutton.sportsblog.com/...ton-lighting-vegas-summer-league-on-fire.html
"If Bryce Cotton continues his stellar play at the Las Vegas Summer League, he'll be a lock to make the Utah Jazz roster. If Bryce Cotton continues to play like he's been playing at the Summer League competition then the Utah Jazz are going to have a good problem, splitting up minutes at the PG position between Dante Exum, Trey Burke and Cotton.
Cotton ripped the Miami Heat Summer League team for 28 points in exactly 28 minutes. While the 28 points happened on 8-15 shooting, you have to be impressed that Cotton got to the free-throw line 11 times, making 10 of his attempts. Cotton also led the Jazz with four assists.
In the Jazz Las Vegas opener, Cotton scored 20 points, had five rebounds and again, led the Jazz with five assists. Again, Cotton was a monster getting to the free-throw line in a win over the Sixers, making 8-9 FT attempts.
For Cotton, this Summer-League experience has got to be a huge confidence builder for a guy that latched onto the team late in the season and contributed down the stretch.
Cotton is so athletic with that 45-inch vertical leap that it's hard not to find a reason to get him on the floor. While Dante Exum is the PG of the future, Trey Burke might find himself on the outside looking in if Cotton continues to perform at an elite level.
Cotton's ability to get in the paint and draw contact and then convert free-throws would be a solid scoring punch for the Jazz' second unit."
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I'm sorry, but play like that does not relegate a guy to 3-5 minutes a game. Quin Snyder said last season "you get excited by his potential". Bryce Cotton ain't walking into a starting position anywhere. Quin Snyder is a smart coach and then some. He is going to mentor Cotton. I admire the fact that you stick to your guns, but telling Jazz fans your guy belongs elsewhere isn't very complimentary of their franchise. A little diplomacy goes a long way. If he makes this roster, I know I am right in what I am predicting. He will be a leader on this team.
This is more like it:
https://panicbutton.sportsblog.com/...ton-lighting-vegas-summer-league-on-fire.html
"If Bryce Cotton continues his stellar play at the Las Vegas Summer League, he'll be a lock to make the Utah Jazz roster. If Bryce Cotton continues to play like he's been playing at the Summer League competition then the Utah Jazz are going to have a good problem, splitting up minutes at the PG position between Dante Exum, Trey Burke and Cotton.
Cotton ripped the Miami Heat Summer League team for 28 points in exactly 28 minutes. While the 28 points happened on 8-15 shooting, you have to be impressed that Cotton got to the free-throw line 11 times, making 10 of his attempts. Cotton also led the Jazz with four assists.
In the Jazz Las Vegas opener, Cotton scored 20 points, had five rebounds and again, led the Jazz with five assists. Again, Cotton was a monster getting to the free-throw line in a win over the Sixers, making 8-9 FT attempts.
For Cotton, this Summer-League experience has got to be a huge confidence builder for a guy that latched onto the team late in the season and contributed down the stretch.
Cotton is so athletic with that 45-inch vertical leap that it's hard not to find a reason to get him on the floor. While Dante Exum is the PG of the future, Trey Burke might find himself on the outside looking in if Cotton continues to perform at an elite level.
Cotton's ability to get in the paint and draw contact and then convert free-throws would be a solid scoring punch for the Jazz' second unit."
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I'm sorry, but play like that does not relegate a guy to 3-5 minutes a game. Quin Snyder said last season "you get excited by his potential". Bryce Cotton ain't walking into a starting position anywhere. Quin Snyder is a smart coach and then some. He is going to mentor Cotton. I admire the fact that you stick to your guns, but telling Jazz fans your guy belongs elsewhere isn't very complimentary of their franchise. A little diplomacy goes a long way. If he makes this roster, I know I am right in what I am predicting. He will be a leader on this team.
How dare Cotton score 28 points in 28 minutes on over 50% shooting!!!! OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!
I love his fight, aggressive play and attitude. I am officially on the band wagon (after saying I'd cut him in another thread, I was wrong). Trade Burke for a ham sandwich or something.
Exum/Cotton/Neto
Not what I was saying at all. Its awesome the Jazz gave him a shot and he is now making the most of the opportunity, but with 5 PG's it clearly is not the ideal situation... pretty much all I am saying.
Trust me I have faith in him, I would preferably like to see him on a team with a smaller pool of competitors. I mean its just logical... even if he does get the back up spot, there's 3-4 others guys always right behind. From what I have seen, I like Quin and the Jazz organization but not so sure what is so negative/ controversial by saying he will likely get more minutes else where...
Everything you said is true, ie. he can perform and be a fan favorite, but it would also be true with any NBA team.
Hanlan will not make the team so that is 4 PGs. I am thinking there will be a trade where Burke leaves and that leaves 3. Cotton will then have his chance to beat out Neto as primary back up behind Exum.
Red
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Well then simply refer to what I said earlier. This is a team where the players act like family together and 12,000 fans turn out for a SL game. If you want the best for him, why not begin whatever legacy he does create for himself in this place? This is the start of his career. He probably won't play for Utah forever because very few players play for one team in their careers. It isn't controversial to say he gets more minutes elsewhere. I do doubt that would be the case, but you're entitled to your opinion. I think there is some illogic in saying he could be a starter elsewhere but won't be good enough to get meaningful minutes in Utah. Not logical to me. Emotional leader. Spark plug off the bench. He will make a name for himself in the NBA in the situation he will be in if he makes the roster. He can't be both good enough to walk in and start but not good enough to get meaningful minutes.
Red
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@GoFriars, in reading your comments over, it really sounds like you believe there was a perfect place to be and he should be in the perfect situation. But, this is the reality. And my argument is that it is actually as close to that "perfect" reality you seem to desire anyway. Not putting words in your mouth, but would it be "best" or "perfect" to say "Let's hope Cotton goes to a bottom feeder. The stands will be half empty, but he'll be a star?". I don't think there is anyway that being on the bench in Utah would prevent him from having the career he's meant to have. Because you play your way onto a roster. And then you play your way onto the court. Nobody will prevent Cotton from giving 110% to get on the court and stay awhile once there. Maybe he gets more minutes elsewhere, I can't say. But being on this team gives him a chance to be part of turning a franchise around. And I cannot emphasize enough that that is a very, very, very good place to start!
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Lol
You dolts.
What does Burke do better than cotton?
Cotton's defense is far superior
Cotton's athleticism is far superior
His ability to actually create off the dribble and penetrate (not merely bounce off defenders) is superior to Burke's
His ability to get to the free throw line is superior
Shooting? Neither is Steph Curry but I'd give the edge to cotton
I like cotton as a change of pace spark plug off the bench. Burke offers us nothing off the bench. Cotton? Unleash him to wreck havoc on opposing PGs, get a few steals, and nail a few shots.
Face it fools. Burke = Jacque Vaughn
He does nothing better than cotton. Playing Burke ahead of Cotton would be like playing Richard Jefferson ahead of Alec Burks...
You dolts.
What does Burke do better than cotton?
Cotton's defense is far superior
Cotton's athleticism is far superior
His ability to actually create off the dribble and penetrate (not merely bounce off defenders) is superior to Burke's
His ability to get to the free throw line is superior
Shooting? Neither is Steph Curry but I'd give the edge to cotton
I like cotton as a change of pace spark plug off the bench. Burke offers us nothing off the bench. Cotton? Unleash him to wreck havoc on opposing PGs, get a few steals, and nail a few shots.
Face it fools. Burke = Jacque Vaughn
He does nothing better than cotton. Playing Burke ahead of Cotton would be like playing Richard Jefferson ahead of Alec Burks...
Cotton is playing really well in Summer League. Unfortunately, anybody who's watched years of Summer League, knows the play here doesn't always translate to the regular season. Guys who shoot lights out in Summer League are sometimes busts in the regular season. Guys who struggle in Summer League sometimes play better in the regular season.
I think Cotton will make the Jazz roster, but talk of him being a starter is a little premature. Like a couple of others have indicated he makes a good change of pace backup PG. Will he develop into something more than this? I'd say its quite possible, because he appears to be hungry and willing to work hard. Coach Snyder is the perfect Coach to help a hungry hard working player get better.
I think all of our PGs have some glaring weaknesses. On the other hand, they all appear to be willing to listen to the Coaches and work to improve their craft. Competition makes for growth and I suspect the competition for PG minutes will be fierce on the Jazz team this year.
I think Cotton will make the Jazz roster, but talk of him being a starter is a little premature. Like a couple of others have indicated he makes a good change of pace backup PG. Will he develop into something more than this? I'd say its quite possible, because he appears to be hungry and willing to work hard. Coach Snyder is the perfect Coach to help a hungry hard working player get better.
I think all of our PGs have some glaring weaknesses. On the other hand, they all appear to be willing to listen to the Coaches and work to improve their craft. Competition makes for growth and I suspect the competition for PG minutes will be fierce on the Jazz team this year.
jimmy eat jazz
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I hope the Jazz keep Cotton and carry four PGs, as, frankly, as of now, I'd prefer Cotton to Burke. This means, however, that someone else has got to go. Sadly, I think that's Cooley. We can have Pleiss backup Gobert and slide Favors over to center as needed. Cooley is who he is, an energy guy who gets boards, plays some D, and can occasionally score. There's many people like him available if we need them, plus if one of the other centers gets hurt, I suspect Cooley will still be there for us to sign to a limited contract. Cotton, on the other hand, shows potential to be a solid rotation player who may be better than both Neto and Burke, and if we don't lock him up, someone else is likely to. I would like to keep him to see what he can become. I think this could really pay off down the line. I worry that he's a kind of Wesley Matthews in the sense that if we let him go, he could blow up someone else (well, relatively speaking, I'm not saying he's Matthews) and make us regret letting him go.
peakbagger1971
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I hate the ideas of giving up on Burke. He's played only 2 years in the league and we've seen a lot of great moments from him. He's going to get better. That said I love Bryce Cotton. I'm so torn.
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