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COVID-19 - How worried are you?

How worried are you about COVID-19?

  • 1 - Not at all, everyone is freaking out over nothing at all.

    Votes: 3 5.7%
  • 2 - Not at all, it will not over and not be a big deal in the long run.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 3 - Not really, but it could get worse if we don't take precautions

    Votes: 4 7.5%
  • 4 - kind of, and it could get worse if we aren't careful

    Votes: 6 11.3%
  • 5 - yes, it could end up being really bad. We need to do something.

    Votes: 6 11.3%
  • 6 - yes, it's getting worse, we all need to step up

    Votes: 4 7.5%
  • 7 - yes, it's going to cause a lot of damage that will take a long time to fix

    Votes: 7 13.2%
  • 8 - it is a crisis, the government needs to get involved, businesses need to step up

    Votes: 9 17.0%
  • 9 - it is a full crisis. It will be devastating to the world in many ways.

    Votes: 8 15.1%
  • 10 - the most imaginable crisis we have seen in decades. It will cause permanent damage.

    Votes: 6 11.3%

  • Total voters
    53
This might be fake news, but it is fun.

I work with a guy who has a bunch of family Mexico. His family is telling him the public service announcements on the radio are telling people Corona Virus starts in the back of your throat but can be killed by alcohol. They are encouraging people to drink alcohol every half-hour.

I think the science is suspect, but think the USA might benefit from such an announcement.

That's exactly what the Soviet government told people to do who were exposed to radiation during Chernobyl. Drink half a glass of Vodka every six hours. This way when all your skin turns into liquified goo you won't care all that much.
 
This is why I voted “5” (but referenced the need for government). My hair isn’t on fire over this, and I have a long-angle lens on history that incorporates this kind of thing as a natural (and, in some sense, unavoidable) event, but there hasn’t been any way for me to project this kind of “middle-ground caution” within my professional or personal communities. It feels like everything went from “need for containment?? haha”, to “holy **** let’s shut everything down” in about 48 hours. And of course this is basically what happened across the nation.

We obviously had, and continue to have, a big Culture Problem in terms of responding to this kind of crisis. And there are ample reasons to think this problem would have reared its head in a number of different kinds of crises. That’s currently the deepest pit of worry that I have, since the politics of responding to disaster figure to be more and more prevalent as the climate crisis thickens. And, we’re really just at square one when it comes to dealing with one another through this, and having a clear vision of what our government should be doing.

rant over.

I also have a really salty taste in my mouth because our local city has a huge retirement community and those old bastards vote against every school and community measure that might raise their taxes a couple bucks because they don't use the school system anymore. We have a few loved ones in that demographic we obviously want to protect, but its hard for me to rationalize substantially interrupting my life for a substantial amount of time and taking huge losses in my 401k etc. to keep them safe when they don't give a **** enough to pay 10-12 bucks a year in extra property taxes so we can build some of the infrastructure we need for the new school the community desperately needs.

This is an exaggeration of my feelings, but I think it should be noted the millennials are not the only selfish part of the community... now my rant is over.
 
That is what they are trying to prevent with covid. A run on hospitals by the old, the sick, and the others who get a severe case could collapse the medical system for all of us.

So lets collapse the entire economy then ......
 
This is my feeling too. I think we all have two responsibilities:

1- Social distancing to slow the spread, primarily to keep from overburdening hospitals.
2- Don't panic, and don't engage in creating panic (which too many people are doing in this thread).

This is a terrible situation, and there will be a significant loss of life, mostly concentrated on elderly and people with pre-existing conditions. However, we can and will get through this.

I went to get Ibuprofen at the store on Saturday because my daughter had her tonsils out and they go through the meds like crazy... had to go to 4 stores before I found some children's ibuprofen because the panic buyers bought it all up... there is a study that shows it might be really bad for Corona virus...

It feels like we went from under-reacting to a huge over-reaction over night.
 
On the subject of "panic buying"

If stores might ultimately close or have very limited operations it's really good idea to have food enough to last a couple weeks BEFORE that happens. If you wake up one morning and the local news says "All Retail Ordered To Close In 24hrs" you missed the ****ing boat. Have fun finding what you need.

It's not panic buying to see that other countries have effectively shut down and plan ahead so that you're not caught with your pants down (and no TP).

That's completely different than buying 1000 rolls of toilet paper. But having enough toilet paper to last for the rest of the month or maybe two is a great idea.

Picking up additional canned goods, dry good and meat to freeze so that you're not going to go hungry if stores shut down for a couple weeks, that's a good idea.

Of course if everyone is doing the same then yeah, shelves are going to empty. That doesn't mean everyone is panic buying. But if you're sitting on your *** laughing at all the idiots for stocking up (not stockpiling) you're gonna be the one paying off the hoarders when you're desperate for a can of beans.
 
On the subject of "panic buying"

If stores might ultimately close or have very limited operations it's really good idea to have food enough to last a couple weeks BEFORE that happens. If you wake up one morning and the local news says "All Retail Ordered To Close In 24hrs" you missed the ****ing boat. Have fun finding what you need.

It's not panic buying to see that other countries have effectively shut down and plan ahead so that you're not caught with your pants down (and no TP).

That's completely different than buying 1000 rolls of toilet paper. But having enough toilet paper to last for the rest of the month or maybe two is a great idea.

Picking up additional canned goods, dry good and meat to freeze so that you're not going to go hungry if stores shut down for a couple weeks, that's a good idea.

Of course if everyone is doing the same then yeah, shelves are going to empty. That doesn't mean everyone is panic buying. But if you're sitting on your *** laughing at all the idiots for stocking up (not stockpiling) you're gonna be the one paying off the hoarders when you're desperate for a can of beans.

By all means people should prepare... but this ain't a hurricane or some disaster where they will shut down all food establishments. We stocked up for sure, but we didn't buy every can of beans... like someone did with the children's ibuprofen. If they shut down super markets there will be more death due to rioting and starvation than there would have been due to the virus.
 
By all means people should prepare... but this ain't a hurricane or some disaster where they will shut down all food establishments. We stocked up for sure, but we didn't buy every can of beans... like someone did with the children's ibuprofen. If they shut down super markets there will be more death due to rioting and starvation than there would have been due to the virus.
That may have been 100 different people all buying 1 package of children's ibuprofen, just like you did.

Salt Lake County just shut down all in-establishment dining. Shutting down retail or creating limits on retail is a very real possibility.
 
That may have been 100 different people all buying 1 package of children's ibuprofen, just like you did.

Salt Lake County just shut down all in-establishment dining. Shutting down retail or creating limits on retail is a very real possibility.
Yep.

That will be next. I expect it by Monday or Tuesday next week. It could be sooner.
 
That may have been 100 different people all buying 1 package of children's ibuprofen, just like you did.

Salt Lake County just shut down all in-establishment dining. Shutting down retail or creating limits on retail is a very real possibility.
Sure. All the stores were out because one person was going to buy it... just like the TP... it’s fine I figured it out.

Closing restaurants is one thing... if they close supermarkets there will be mass riots and violence... people will go full zombie apocalypse. It doesn’t take much.
 
Sure. All the stores were out because one person was going to buy it... just like the TP... it’s fine I figured it out.

Closing restaurants is one thing... if they close supermarkets there will be mass riots and violence... people will go full zombie apocalypse. It doesn’t take much.
If you buy toilet paper once a month but because of this you buy 2-3 months worth in a go and everyone else does the same then there's not going to be enough TP on the shelves. The stores plan on sales being around the average. If they go up 15% then they are going to start running out of stuff.
 
The economic impact will be huge, and I'm really worried about that. This will also force us to look at many things and perhaps make decisions that we've never thought about before. I think an adequate appraisal of the situation is called for, because I think the hysteria is going to have some serious unintended consequences. Obviously there's a huge range of possibilities that can happen, so saying 'have an adequate appraisal' is somewhat of a silly notion. But people out there feeling justified in fomenting fear so that people will "take it seriously" is so incredibly short-sighted. I will grant that many people propagating the fear genuinely believe it. With regard to fear, I'm not talking about taking precautionary measures such as closing schools, working from home, limiting contact, not going out, etc. I'm talking about needless conjecture that has no basis. Something like the idea that's been passed around that 'because the federal government waited, millions will die.' There an idea that if you're not out there subscribing to this thought process, that you're not taking this serious enough and do not understand the gravity of the situation.

I've long believed that there's a certain level of arrogance about the comfort of our current situations. We live in huge outlier of human history. Because we're accustomed to this, we believe this is how things always will be, and we think issues like this are a thing of the past, so we forget how fragile and delicate numerous issues are just because we've lived in times of relative comfort. I was in residency when Ebola started to break out. I wasn't thinking the sky was falling, but I thought it was interesting when people were so invested in dismissing it as a possible threat. I think there was also a lot of subtle cultural elitism / racism involved in this dismissive attitude to the idea of us not being able to have a breakout here as we're watching it happen across West and Central Africa. And keep in mind this is something with a mortality rate up to 90%, and people were saying "yeah, the flu kills a ton. Go get a flu shot." Ebola was luckily contained. At one point the CDC had estimated that over the course of a few months the number of Ebola cases could reach 1.4 million. There's a particular poster here who has rated this current outbreak as a 10. If you go back to the Ebola thread from 2014, this same person's concern about Ebola after the first case in the US was a 0. They thought it was political media hysteria.

But I digress. The idea that we're somehow immune from an absolute catastrophe happening has been silly. And I think with anything untested that we don't have data on, you have to exhibit some real caution in making declarations of something being safe when it's never been tested. So, to be fair, we don't know exactly what will happen with COVID-19. And yes, the comparison with influenza may not be the best. But I do think it's important for us to assess our underlying assumptions. Yes, we don't have any immunity to corona as we do influenza, so there's concern that it can spread more. The CDC currently estimates that there have been 22,000-55,000 influenza deaths in the US alone from October 1 - March 7. There have currently been 7,000 deaths world-wide from corona. China's rate has slowed drastically, if the numbers are to be believed. Yes, they've done some pretty intense quarantines, but also consider that they had absolutely no lead time on this and Wuhan has a population of 8-9 million, and about 18 million in the metropolitan area. China has had 3,213 deaths, again if the numbers are to be believed, and this is stabilizing.

On the other hand, yes. We have to make sure that this doesn't spread so far and wide that it collapses our healthcare system. That's a real concern. Most of that concern comes from watching what's happening with Italy, and it's stated that we're about 11 days behind them, but we're only referencing total numbers. It's important to note that Italy has 1/5 the population we do, that we have 3x the amount of critical care beds, and that their population's median age is nearly 10 years higher. We don't know what will happen here, and it's important to look at what's happening elsewhere, but we also need to look at it from more than one simplistic angle, regardless of which side that data falls on.

Yes, we need to take this seriously. Yes, we need to exhibit cautions as prevention is much easier than cures, even if you overdo it. But no, making claims about millions dying as a result of delayed action not only has no basis, but is not actually helpful. Think beyond this current crisis and think to the next time another infectious disease, or other public health crisis, arises that carries with it an even larger burden of mobidity and mortality. How effective will the short-term strategy of now translate then? Yes, we need to get people to take it seriously. No, beating people over the head with hysterics will not get them to take it seriously, but will do far, far more damage for the public good and trust the next time a crisis comes along.

tl;dr none of us have any idea what will happen, despite referencing evidence that may lean one way or the other. It's better to be cautious than be sorry, but if you feel people aren't taking something serious enough, simply ratcheting up the fear isn't actually going to change those peoples' behaviors, and in fact may drive them the other way. But you yourself may feel better, even though you have not helped with any change. Try a different approach, because I'd like everyone to be more cautious, too, and I recognize that your behavior "helping" isn't really accomplishing that.

But I've digressed again from my original point. We're going to have to reevaluate many things we've never looked at. Like, many would argue that if we need to have the world shut down for 6-8 months to save 50k lives, then it's worth it. I'm not going to attempt to put any value on life, but if we're quickly determining that if something like that is necessary and that's what we should do, then we'd also have to ask ourselves the question if we should be shutting down the roads so we don't have 40k automobile fatalities each year. That's, again, not an implication of what should or shouldn't be done, but it's important for us to look at some larger applications and scenarios when we're trying to process what the long-term solution to something like this would be in a vacuum.
 
If you buy toilet paper once a month but because of this you buy 2-3 months worth in a go and everyone else does the same then there's not going to be enough TP on the shelves. The stores plan on sales being around the average. If they go up 15% then they are going to start running out of stuff.
I mean sure that might be what happened but we have all heard the stories of the fight that broke out over the lady that had 12 packs of TP and others wanted one... the people going to the store now are mostly panic buyers acting irrationally.

We ran to the store and replenished our 60-90 day supply we normally keep on hand a week or two ago... so I’m good, but people are definitely panicking and stock piling. This ain’t the zombie apocalypse... grocery stores should close about the same time hospitals do.
 
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