Cruelty in factory farming

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Green...
This history goes back waaaaaaay further than Reagan and his policies. Check out the book Nature's Metropolis for a good history of the beef industry. The whole book is mind-blowing. It's kind of a history of US capitalism. Its focus is on the developmental history of Chicago.

I will go look this up. This is an area where I am an infant in knowledge. Thanks.

 

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I have not heard an argument where such a distinction can be made objectively. There are so many factors that weigh in here. For example, most of these factory chickens would not have lived without factory farming. So, it's important to know what goes into making your food, but that doesn't imply any judgment about what you do once you know. I'm not going to stop buying factory-farm eggs, but if there is an agricultural reform bill I can vote for, I will vote for it.

Thanks for the response. I agree.

 

[UGLI baby]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/writer/ken-berger/24370416

Good NBA related article that touches on this about half way through.

The factory farming thing for me has basically zero to do with me caring about animals well being (sorry animal bros) and everything to do with how horrible factory farmed meat is for human beings to eat.

From teh article...

When the protein and fat come from beef, it can't just be any beef; you'll only find beef from humanely raised, grass-fed cows with no added antibiotics on the Lakers' menu. (Grass-fed cows produce meat with higher levels of healthy omega-3 fatty acids.) The fish is wild, not farm-raised, which limits toxins. All other protein is from humanely raised sources, such as free-range chickens and pigs that have not been fattened on corn or other grains and have not been sickened and mass-engineered with antibiotics or hormones.

"There's a right way to raise a pig and a wrong way," Lakers strength and conditioning coach Tim DiFrancesco said. "Pigs that are raised with hormones and fed corn and grains, yeah, that'll kill you."

 

[babe]

I love the ridiculousness of this article. It talks about how they tried to pass a measure in Democrat controlled California, but it was the Republicans who stopped it. It's that type of garbage that makes you lose credibility, undermines your cause and doesn't allow us to actually do anything.

This starts out well, and I think they have good intentions, but then it just turns into another sensationalized article throwing out stereotypes to get people all riled up. Did Thriller write this?

It's too bad, because either we are too dumb as a society to look at a issue and find middle ground, or we just aren't interested in finding a solution. We are just interested in arguing about it.

The solution is tens of millions of consumer decisions to buy local, support family farming, stop voting for politicians who take cartel campaign contributions, reduce the size and power of government to eliminate the gains to be had by special interests with paid lobbyists. . . . . and stop being deceived by HSUS campaigns for contributions which are largely wasted on high-roller lobbyists and high-paid national "leaders" who live so high on the hog they stink.

 

[babe]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/writer/ken-berger/24370416

Good NBA related article that touches on this about half way through.

The factory farming thing for me has basically zero to do with me caring about animals well being (sorry animal bros) and everything to do with how horrible factory farmed meat is for human beings to eat.

From teh article...

When the protein and fat come from beef, it can't just be any beef; you'll only find beef from humanely raised, grass-fed cows with no added antibiotics on the Lakers' menu. (Grass-fed cows produce meat with higher levels of healthy omega-3 fatty acids.) The fish is wild, not farm-raised, which limits toxins. All other protein is from humanely raised sources, such as free-range chickens and pigs that have not been fattened on corn or other grains and have not been sickened and mass-engineered with antibiotics or hormones.

"There's a right way to raise a pig and a wrong way," Lakers strength and conditioning coach Tim DiFrancesco said. "Pigs that are raised with hormones and fed corn and grains, yeah, that'll kill you."

feedlot and factory-like "meat producers", like agri-business practices general, rely on the chemical products of unethical chemical cartels like Monsanto. I roll them into the same bucket as Big Pharma.

And I speak as a professional chemist who knows something about the chemicals we use to live in a world of "better living through chemistry". This is fundamental to my world view that "elitists" who own the chemical industry, as well as the media, the munitions/armament factories, the banks. . . . well, the Rockefeller-class of "The Right People", which is the title of a book worth reading though it was published in the sixties. . . . qualify our present situation as a nation if not world run by fascists.

I'm a dropout of all that. Backwoods Home Magazine provides the path to liberty. . . .

We have a whole crop of modern "epidemic" disease that is the result of the Chemical Life.

 

[babe]

Green...
This history goes back waaaaaaay further than Reagan and his policies. Check out the book Nature's Metropolis for a good history of the beef industry. The whole book is mind-blowing. It's kind of a history of US capitalism. Its focus is on the developmental history of Chicago.

I'm sure it goes back to beginning of Chicago. The first trainload of cattle to go into the Chicago pens at least. Thanks for the reference to the book. Makes this place worthwhile to have a lead towards something like this.

 

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No one forces the animals to be on the farm. If they don't like it they can either get a better education or find another farm.

I get tired of these wussy socialist McDonald's and Walmart workers and now farm animals demanding unfair compensation.

Just let the invisible hand guide us!

 

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I'm sure it goes back to beginning of Chicago. The first trainload of cattle to go into the Chicago pens at least. Thanks for the reference to the book. Makes this place worthwhile to have a lead towards something like this.

Good point.

I have yet to meet someone who has read The Jungle who still worships the free market. I think most after reading it would agree that some government oversight should be required to regulate all markets.

It's just a shame that at this point in history we refuse to teach anything about the Gilded Age. We tend to focus on New Deal programs during the Progressive Era and ignore the reforms passed decades prior which actually kicked the whole era off. Teddy's "square deal", attacks on trusts, forcing ridiculous robber barons to actually compensate workers/consumers, and vital government regulation of the food and drug industry.

I wonder why the first half of the Progressive Era is typically ignored in red states? Is it because they might work against the agenda of demonizing the federal government? Does it work against the idea that a free market can and will regulate itself?