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Current NBA Draft Final Four: Framer vs. Hack

Who would win in a 7 game series?

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    24
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Hack said:
Lol.

Ya? What point would that be?


Think about it real hard, then get back to me. You don't want to rush this one. Trust me.
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Lolol.

Wow sometimes a simple lol is so appropriate.
 
Howard said:
So I brought up all these points against Hack and everybody ignores it, then Dala brings up worse arguments and people listen? This is why this boards basketball intellect is subpar, it's all a followers mentality. Somebody you trusts says something, and you believe it because yall can't think for yourselves.
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Boo Ya!!!!

With that said, Hack's team is better, and having a scorer like Martin as your 5th option isn't that bad, considering a lot of his defensive inequities are neutralized by two good post defenders (see Burke's defensive numbers with Favors/Gobert as evidence).
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Martin's effectivity as a scorer (even as a bench option as seen at OKC) in the playoffs has already been called into question. Burke also had the privilege of playing with two superb defenders AND a plethora of formidable defenders on the Jazz. The Jazz were so good last season because they literally have little to none piss-poor defenders on the roster after Kanter left. No one is anywhere close to as bad as Irving or Martin, god help us. If he had 4 plus defenders and Martin, he'd be fine. Unfortunately, his squad has three minus defenders in the starting lineup, and even more on the bench. I'm not sure there's ever been a championship won with three starters being minus defenders.
 
Hack said:
Trey Burke is the savior.


Ya I'm sure a jazzfanz thinks you are brilliant.


Roflolololololol
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You know when you've won an argument when the responder doesn't address the points that you made-- and goes down the ad hominem route instead.

I'm surprised Hack isn't starting Jeremy Evans.
 
dalamon said:
Boo Ya!!!!



Martin's effectivity as a scorer (even as a bench option as seen at OKC) in the playoffs has already been called into question. Burke also had the privilege of playing with two superb defenders AND a plethora of formidable defenders on the Jazz. The Jazz were so good last season because they literally have little to none piss-poor defenders on the roster after Kanter left. No one is anywhere close to as bad as Irving or Martin, god help us. If he had 4 plus defenders and Martin, he'd be fine. Unfortunately, his squad has three minus defenders in the starting lineup, and even more on the bench. I'm not sure there's ever been a championship won with three starters being minus defenders.
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Martin was a poor scorer because he was the focal point. Surely even you can recognize the difference between being a primary option and a 5th option. Also, Irving had a defensive rating of 104 in the playoffs to go along with an offensive rating of 120. Those aren't bad defensive numbers, factor in how Favors and Davis would help more, and I think he would do just fine.
 
dalamon said:
Boo Ya!!!!



Martin's effectivity as a scorer (even as a bench option as seen at OKC) in the playoffs has already been called into question. Burke also had the privilege of playing with two superb defenders AND a plethora of formidable defenders on the Jazz. The Jazz were so good last season because they literally have little to none piss-poor defenders on the roster after Kanter left. No one is anywhere close to as bad as Irving or Martin, god help us. If he had 4 plus defenders and Martin, he'd be fine. Unfortunately, his squad has three minus defenders in the starting lineup, and even more on the bench. I'm not sure there's ever been a championship won with three starters being minus defenders.
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dalamon said:
You know when you've won an argument when the responder doesn't address the points that you made-- and goes down the ad hominem route instead.

I'm surprised Hack isn't starting Jeremy Evans.
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I don't address your points because you have no idea what you are talking about. You are just throwing **** at the wall and seeing if it sticks.
 
At least when I get in a argument with Cy, Naos, Howard, etc... I can respect their opinion because they show some sign of being able to see the game.

Talking to Dalamon about basketball is like talking to the Gardner about how to program a computer. There really is no point.
 
Howard said:
Martin was a poor scorer because he was the focal point. Surely even you can recognize the difference between being a primary option and a 5th option. Also, Irving had a defensive rating of 104 in the playoffs to go along with an offensive rating of 120. Those aren't bad defensive numbers, factor in how Favors and Davis would help more, and I think he would do just fine.
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Right because Kevin Martin was the focal point of the OKC offense when he shot 38% from the field o.O
 
dalamon said:
You know when you've won an argument when the responder doesn't address the points that you made-- and goes down the ad hominem route instead.

I'm surprised Hack isn't starting Jeremy Evans.
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I thought that was just how hack argued to begin with?
 
dalamon said:
You know when you've won an argument when the responder doesn't address the points that you made-- and goes down the ad hominem route instead.

I'm surprised Hack isn't starting Jeremy Evans.
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Or you know you've won when the responder can only try to nitpick tiny points because you've so thoroughly destroyed him that he won't respond to you, or your points.
 
dalamon said:
You know when you've won an argument when the responder doesn't address the points that you made-- and goes down the ad hominem route instead.

I'm surprised Hack isn't starting Jeremy Evans.
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Howard said:
Or you know you've won when the responder can only try to nitpick tiny points because you've so thoroughly destroyed him that he won't respond to you, or your points.
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Good point Howard.
 
Howard said:
Exactly what do you think his role coming off the bench was? Primary scorer or 5th option?
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Kevin Martin blows. He was 3 years younger in OKC and was still a very meh player in the same role that he is in with Hack's team.
 
Cy said:
Kevin Martin blows. He was 3 years younger in OKC and was still a very meh player in the same role that he is in with Hack's team.
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I'm not saying he's good, just saying Hack's team is better.

My team was better than Hack's though.
 
Cy said:
Kevin Martin blows. He was 3 years younger in OKC and was still a very meh player in the same role that he is in with Hack's team.
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Why is everyone making Kevin Martin out to be a god awful player?

He averaged 20 points per game last year. While shooting good percentages. He's always been a good scorer. So what if he had a bad playoff series. Even great players have a bad playoffs.

He's no different than picking someone like Al Jefferson. They aren't exactly winning players that you'd build a team around, but when you have 4 other really good players starting next to him then he's not going to seem so bad. You could do a lot worse quite frankly.

Al I need him to do is stand there and make 3 pointers. Which he can do just fine. The rest of his game will good enough. He doesn't need to be a primary scorer.

This isnt hard to figure out. What's really going on here is the haters are out in full force.

Cy started Hassan Whiteside for crying out loud. And claimed he was some great player. The Heat weren't some dominant team with him out there. He doesn't have a long history and track record. He played one decent season and blocked a few shots. But yet, Cy has the nerve to call out my pick. Give me break Cy. How about some intellectual honesty??
 
Lol at everyone who keeps saying their team is better than Hack, they shouldn't have lost, etc.

You lost and nothing you do or say now can change it. Be a man and move on.

My team sucked balls and I'm not here saying my team is better than anyone's remaining because it's not.

Davis, Kyrie, and Favors is the best big 3 this competition has, it's good enough to win.

It's funny how you guys nitpick Hack's team when Framer's team is clearly inferior.
 
White Chocolate said:
Lol at everyone who keeps saying their team is better than Hack, they shouldn't have lost, etc.

You lost and nothing you do or say now can change it. Be a man and move on.

My team sucked balls and I'm not here saying my team is better than anyone's remaining because it's not.

Davis, Kyrie, and Favors is the best big 3 this competition has, it's good enough to win.

It's funny how you guys nitpick Hack's team when Framer's team is clearly inferior.
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Clearly.
 
WhiteChocolate obviously is SaltyDawg.

white is the color of salt. black people say dawg a lot. mods please look into this.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
Clearly.
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I would take Davis and Favors over Gobert and Aldridge although it's close.

Kyrie is better than Teague.

Parsons and Martin vs. Green and Gay is a wash, imo. You can make a case for either.

So.. Hack has better bigs and a better point guard. Even if you say Framer has a better 2-3 combo, I will take Hack's PG and bigs over Framer's wings.
 
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