I guess since the Jazz didn't win 30 games the year before then everyone on the Jazz sucked. Including Favors, Rudy, and Hayward.
Dalamon bringing the full proof logic. It just can't be beat.
Favors or Hayward both would not be good on playoff teams in their 2nd year.
If we are talking about LaVine and Shabazz in their 4th year, then maybe you have a point.