Cut and Run Dems

[babe]

I wasn't degrading a point of view. I was making fun of Hopper/Millsapa.

While I can't absolutely disprove your thesis here, I am not convinced it's so. I guess if it's just "making fun" we can lower our intellectual effort quite a lot, right?

If I ding you for going low once in a while, I'll also rep you about twice as often when I see the kind of wit I like, regardless of whether I agree with the point.

The mental midget characterization of conservatives is of the same class as the various slurs against "progressives" some think are "making fun". I'm more in line with LG on all this, if we aren't making a lot of progress giving up ground just slinging mud, maybe there is a way to make some real progress as Americans if we will give credit to one another for good intentions and move the discussion to higher ground. If we care more to understand the problem and solve it.

For example, I have a fundamental postive view of unions because I believe unions helped to give our middle class a new lease on life for a season in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century, and I think in the long run it's something we need to nurture and protect as the basis for a strong economy and for fundamental human rights. But I see a problem here with most of our private sector unions basically in a sold-out relation to their American workers because leadership is more interested in lush new "markets" in other countries and in the migrant workers/immigrant/illegal worker departments where they can use inside influence with corporate interests to get all these low-paid workers paying their union dues, while in the public sector the worker comp packages are now more than our taxpayers---lots of them long-time Americans who've lost higher-paying jobs to overseas/transborder outsourcing as well as the influx of illegals---just can't afford.

Long term, an extremely lucrative pay/benefit package for government workers is just unsustainable. Not just because there's not a strong economy or sufficient tax base to pay for it, but because it's entirely the wrong idea for public servants to be the fatcat lords of our society.

 

[PearlWatson]

At the risk of getting zinged by all comabatants. . . .

Hey babe,
The jig is up. You can go back to being the funny *** kicking Clutch again. Bumplug Holmes and Chowderhead Watson uncovered our big secret.

Cue up the rolling eyes!

No, not those kind!

That's more like it.

 

[PearlWatson]

Gotcha, you let Glenn Beck tell you what to believe up front. I think about an issue and make a decision on my own. Glad that is cleared up.



I was wondering who wanted that recipe because a few asked but no one did in PM so I didn't remember who.

Dude, if you insist that someone is doing my thinking for me, you could at least chose someone less spastic than Glenn, like Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh. A combination would be even awesomer...Ann Limbaugh or Rush Coulter.

I wouldn't "mind" Frank J doing my thinking for me either. That guy is hilarious.

 

[babe]

Hey babe,
The jig is up. You can go back to being the funny *** kicking Clutch again. Bumplug Holmes and Chowderhead Watson uncovered our big secret.

Cue up the rolling eyes!

No, not those kind!

That's more like it.

maybe I'm just jealous and want to inherit the mantle of Ain't myself. Have you been over to OneBrow's blog to see how much time Ain't is spending there? I guess it's not according to Hoyle for the mods to publish lists of proven banned posters attmpting to re-establish themselves under new handles, and I note there's some skepticism about the reliability of ISPs as a criterion of judgment. However, I believe the Internet Service Providers can share customer identity under terms of use for resolving problems like non-compliant forum users. . . . so I think there's good reason to hope that the mods can limit the abuses.

However, dime-a-dozen accusations in the threads are a form of harassment that I think the mods should take a dim view of too. They are usually off-topic personal attacks. Anyone who has a valid concern should be able to report the problem and that should be sufficient.

who knows, maybe there are two or even three people with views that just don't fit in with crowd.

 

[babe]

So, folks, shall we get back on topic here?

It seems to me like the issue of cutting taxes/eliminating unsustainable deficits for the foreseeable future by reducing government spending generally, and public employee comp packages specifically, is going to be a major hot topic for the coming election cycle. I think the Dems are going to crash and burn if they don't take the lead on this.

 

[TheDude]

The Rethuglicans are cowards just like the Demoncrats.

Yup!

 

[PearlWatson]

I think the Dems are going to crash and burn if they don't take the lead on this.

Take the lead? They are bought and paid for by the unions.

 

[babe]

Take the lead? They are bought and paid for by the unions.

If the dems returned to their principles of standing up for the common man, they could argue that the taxpayers and their kids shouldn't have the unsustainable debt load on their backs for the next several generations while the people's real living standards are in decline. That's the ground that is open for "leadership" and that's the ground any political party of the future must take.

unions have become another class of elitist parasites sucking the blood of the worker. A lot of union members are seeing that now. Question is, will these rational and sensible workers replace their corrupt leadership.

 

[PearlWatson]

If the dems returned to their principles of standing up for the common man, they could argue that the taxpayers and their kids shouldn't have the unsustainable debt load on their backs for the next several generations while the people's real living standards are in decline. That's the ground that is open for "leadership" and that's the ground any political party of the future must take.

unions have become another class of elitist parasites sucking the blood of the worker. A lot of union members are seeing that now. Question is, will these rational and sensible workers replace their corrupt leadership.

But Republicans have already claimed that ground.

 

[babe]

But Republicans have already claimed that ground.

IMO, the Republicans have not repented of being fully invested in the progressive agenda, pretending to be the "good cop" of the our political goodcop/badcop phony "choice". Rhetoric does not connect to actions, even now. As I've said elsewhere, no republican can be taken for honest as long as he/she is playing the new governance game. Like George Bush calling the Constitution " that damn piece of paper, again."

 

[LogGrad98]

https://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_president_bush_call_the_constitution_a.html

 

[babe]

https://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_president_bush_call_the_constitution_a.html

You might complete a rounded research into the issue by checking out who the Annenburg "Factcheck.org" people are, and ponder their credibility. Whether Dubya actually said that is not worth the debate when he did sign the Patriot Act with its onerous provisions. He might as well have said it, judging from that and many other actions he has supported which essentially ignore if not degrade the significance of the Constitution, including going to war without an actual clearly defined Congressional Declaration of War, which would have at least defined our issues and exposed them to public debate. Nation-building around the world, or playing world cop for an undemocratic and non-representive form of governance like the UN is not in accord with Constitutional provisions limiting the scope of Federal powers.

The problem with top-down governance, however well-intentioned or intelligently-designed, is that it cuts the people out of the action, and degrades their human liberties and natural rights. And, sometimes, the best-laid plans go awry, as I suspect the events in the Arab authoritarian regimes across north Africa and the Middle East may be demonstrating. . . .