Dame Time

[Handlogten's Heros]

If we had given it one more year of Rudy and Don our return would have been like 60-70% of what we got. Part of that is a thirsty market... part finding a sucker (Minny).

 

[MTS]

Because there may be more teams with full coffers. I would have looked at it 1-2 years ago... I've consistently been in the corner of "you'd rather trade a guy a year early than a year late". Which contender has more to offer than Miami? Typically only contenders bid on players in their 30s on huge contracts. To expect a Gobert return (it was an outlier) or a Donovan return is a bit optimistic given the market is turning and bunch of teams have already pushed in. Even if you compare Herro, 3 firsts, and Jacquez/Jovic... its not far off the Donovan trade. Lauri blew up but if he had just been Cleveland Lauri then how far off is the best Miami package?

If you want to maximize the return on a Lillard deal you trade him when there are contenders with a bunch of assets ready to bid... the market is not frothy right now. The Suns for example after the KD thing falls through... If Portland says 4 firsts and swaps plus CP3 for Lillard you think Dame makes a stink?

I feel like you're ignoring the part where he's demanding a trade to one specific team only.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I feel like you're ignoring the part where he's demanding a trade to one specific team only.

I feel like you are hyper focused on that and not actually reading the responses... What if Dame opens it up to 5 other teams... Denver, Milwaukee, Phoenix and the LA teams... that's 6 teams... is the offer getting any better?

 

[MTS]

I feel like you are hyper focused on that and not actually reading the responses... What if Dame opens it up to 5 other teams... Denver, Milwaukee, Phoenix and the LA teams... that's 6 teams... is the offer getting any better?

... You do realize the entire issue I and many others you're arguing with have is that Dame requested a trade to one specific team, right?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

... You do realize the entire issue I and many others you're arguing with have is that Dame requested a trade to one specific team, right?

You do realize there is more nuance and he could open the trade request to the teams mentioned and the offers wouldn't improve... right?

 

[MTS]

You do realize there is more nuance and he could open the trade request to the teams mentioned and the offers wouldn't improve... right?

Wasn't it you just the other day that argued how it would be GM suicide to trade for Dame if he doesn't want to come?

And now you're saying him demanding a trade to a specific team is having no impact on the offers Portland is getting elsewhere?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Wasn't it you just the other day that argued how it would be GM suicide to trade for Dame if he doesn't want to come?

Ummm GM suicide maybe not but to come over the top of Miami's best offer with something that got accepted would be risky as hell and have huge opportunity to backfire.

And now you're saying him demanding a trade to a specific team is having no impact on the offers Portland is getting elsewhere?

It no doubt is having some impact on the offers vs Dame saying something like "trade me anywhere but Portland". That is an unreasonable expectation. Do you expect him to feel great about being traded to Detroit or Houston? Nah. He's requesting out to get to an obviously better situation... so you can scratch like 10-12 teams from the potential list right now.

He's picking one franchise but if Portland swung a deal with LA or GS you think he doesn't show up? He's looking at the landscape of where he can actually go and picking one team. How many teams does he need to name to make it an acceptable request? Why should he accept coming to Utah? We aren't a contender with him... Brooklyn has eyes on Donny supposedly so may not even make a big offer. He picked a reasonable destination given the opportunity to win and the actual possibility of a trade. You can put Milwaukee, Boston, GS, LA teams, Denver, Phoenix on that list if you want... likely not changing the offer.

I'm simply pushing back on the narrative that Dame is screwing Portland... he is not. His market was always going to be limited. If they had tried to do this last year maybe there is a couple of additional destinations that are acceptable. Him picking Miami is basically saying "hey Brooklyn and Utah... no thanks". I know he said he wouldn't want to go to Boston... but if they decided to offer Brown he's have a shot at a title and likely passes off on it. I doubt they actually do that.

 

[framer]

I feel like you are hyper focused on that and not actually reading the responses... What if Dame opens it up to 5 other teams... Denver, Milwaukee, Phoenix and the LA teams... that's 6 teams... is the offer getting any better?

Yes, because we don't know what the ACTUAL Miami offer is. Opening it up to more teams gives many more options to get a deal with three team trades. Maybe no one is interested in Tyler Herro for a first, but they might be interested in some of the Clippers pieces. Competition makes Miami cough up their max offer.

I also like how you left off Philly and Boston (better championship contenders than some of your other teams) who could absolutely come up with better offers than Miami's best offer.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yes, because we don't know what the ACTUAL Miami offer is. Opening it up to more teams gives many more options to get a deal with three team trades. Maybe no one is interested in Tyler Herro for a first, but they might be interested in some of the Clippers pieces. Competition makes Miami cough up their max offer.

I also like how you left off Philly and Boston (better championship contenders than some of your other teams) who could absolutely come up with better offers than Miami's best offer.

Mentioned them before... Philly has one pick of their own they can offer... Boston can offer Jaylen Brown... which they may not do whether they were on the "list" or not. So please tell me the offer that Philly gives that is absolutely better than what Miami is giving... it will rely on like at least two other transactions.

All the posturing eventually gets the best offer out of Miami... that offer is adequate. Most here simply dismiss the package cuz its not a crazy overpay like many stars have received the last couple years. The threat of a darkhorse willing to give like 3 firsts a young player and some salary should be enough to tease out the best Miami offer.

 

[Jazzman12]

With all due respect, this is an awful take, but that’s just my opinion.

Right on man. We’re all entitled to our own opinions, regardless of how dumb they may be.

 

[Jazzman12]

Just watching this thing unfold with dame, Portland and Miami gives me a deeper respect and appreciation for DM and how he just did no talking or circumventing in the media, for all we no we might not have gotten Markkanen if not for Mitchell’s silence.

I think you raise a valid point about Donovan keeping it private, but there’s a flip side to that and it is that Dame gave his all for Portland for over a decade and I believe that his desire to stay there and win there was 100% genuine. There was a brief honeymoon period between Donovan and Utah but it didn’t last very long before he was more interested in escaping to NY or some other big market.

I think it’s more than fair for people to question how Dame has handled his exit from Portland thus far, but I’m pretty damn jealous that the Blazers had an All NBA superstar give the city and the organization everything he had for 10+ years.

Who knows where the Jazz would be right now if Donovan had approached his time in Utah the same way.

 

[HermanG]

Also worth to note that Miamis picks are in '27 and beyond. A team entering a rebuild usually prefers picks that realize now rather than later, so I bet Portland would rather take Jovic and Jacquez and 1 less FRP than 2 FRPS that are 4-7 years out.

I mean they already got Scoot and Sharpe. They need to add more youth in short term to properly start the rebuild.