D'Angelo Russell

[fishonjazz]

It's essentially what % of your possessions end in free throws. I think the official definition is FTA/FGA... The technicals shouldn't affect it. About how is Rubio getting fouled this much(compared to Russell) - he's probably more aggressive on drives and has the quickness to put opponents in compromised position where they have to foul him.

And Rubio sucks at shooting so that would make him more likely to drive to try to get a more make-able shot. I would guess that great three point shooters don't typically drive as often of guys who can't shoot as well. When I think of some of the best 3 point shooters I don't think they went to the line frequently (I could be wrong). Korver, Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Klay, Joe Ingles, etc. I doubt many of those guys go to the line very often.

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[LoPo]

Signing him to that kind of deal is like saying I give up because you aren’t going to be able to improve to being a contender unless you get lucky in the draft, which is a crapshoot

The only questions I ask are these - is the guy better than what we have and is the guy better than what we can get in free agency/trade? For question 1, I feel that Russell is better than Rubio now and will become a better player over time. I also think Russell is a better PG option than Exum for the long term.

As for question 2, just look at this list of summer free agent guards:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommyb...agent-ranking-the-top-10-guards/#d25526754215

The conversation will probably come down to Russell vs Bledsoe, Dragic, Rozier and Brogdon. I don't think there is any other PG available via trade or free agency who is better unless Jrue somehow becomes available. I think the Bucks keep either Brogdon or Bledsoe. With Dragic's injury (out two months), does he pick up his $18+ player option? Is he even available? So then, it comes down to Russell vs Bledsoe/Brogdon and Rozier.

And that just comes down to who we want. Don't forget that half the NBA has major money this summer. If we already have Russell via trade, that means we get to keep him instead of hoping and praying we lure a PG better than Rubio.

 

[fishonjazz]

So then, it comes down to Russell vs Bledsoe/Brogdon and Rozier.

I don't know much about how much each of these guys will get but I'm thinking Russell will get the biggest contact, then brogdon, then bledsoe, then rozier. (Let me know your opinion on those guys upcoming contacts)
If that's the case my first choice would be brogdon followed by Russell, bledsoe, and rozier.

I figure rozier is the most get-able of the group followed by bledsoe. I'm guessing brogdon is the hardest one to acquire and Russell the next hardest. What are your thoughts on that regard?

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[Thee Jazz Fan]

The only questions I ask are these - is the guy better than what we have and is the guy better than what we can get in free agency/trade? For question 1, I feel that Russell is better than Rubio now and will become a better player over time. I also think Russell is a better PG option than Exum for the long term.

As for question 2, just look at this list of summer free agent guards:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommyb...agent-ranking-the-top-10-guards/#d25526754215

The conversation will probably come down to Russell vs Bledsoe, Dragic, Rozier and Brogdon. I don't think there is any other PG available via trade or free agency who is better unless Jrue somehow becomes available. I think the Bucks keep either Brogdon or Bledsoe. With Dragic's injury (out two months), does he pick up his $18+ player option? Is he even available? So then, it comes down to Russell vs Bledsoe/Brogdon and Rozier.

And that just comes down to who we want. Don't forget that half the NBA has major money this summer. If we already have Russell via trade, that means we get to keep him instead of hoping and praying we lure a PG better than Rubio.

1. For me he’s not a good enough of an improvement if at all, and if he is, it’s minimal. And he’d have the same affect AK had on the jazz with that contract preventing us from making any substantial improvements.

2. I’m on record saying we need to let Rubio walk and move Mitchell to pg.

I’m also of the mind set that we can sign big name free agents, not a LBJ or Durant type, but a Harris , Middleton type, yes. Will we, maybe maybe not. I don’t think the jazz have really too hard in the recent pass because the jazz were young and wanted to see what was cooking, but the time to make a splash is coming sooner then later.


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[LoPo]

I don't know much about how much each of these guys will get but I'm thinking Russell will get the biggest contact, then brogdon, then bledsoe, then rozier. (Let me know your opinion on those guys upcoming contacts)
If that's the case my first choice would be brogdon followed by Russell, bledsoe, and rozier.

I figure rozier is the most get-able of the group followed by bledsoe. I'm guessing brogdon is the hardest one to acquire and Russell the next hardest. What are your thoughts on that regard?

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I agree. Here is how I would break it down. I'm gonna throw Dragic in this since he could opt out and I do think he is an upgrade over Rubio if we are talking about during the life of the contract:

Biggest contract - Russell, Brogdon, Rozier, Dragic/Bledsoe

Most attainable:
- Bledsoe (unrestricted, 30 years old)
- Rozier (restricted, entering prime, have to overpay or Boston matches)
- Dragic (player option, Miami will want to keep if he does opt out, 33 years old)
- Russell (restricted, very young, have to overpay or Brooklyn matches)
- Brodgon (restricted, entering prime, have to overpay or Milwaukee matches)

If we are talking about salaries, let's just look at the following. In 2021, Mitchell and Gobert will be entering new contracts. Let's just say that the salary cap and luxury only goes up $2 million (low estimate but let's plan for worse case scenario). So the cap would be $120 and luxury $145 in 2021. If Mitchell gets a max, it's $30 million in 2021. Let's also say that we give Gobert the max which is $40 million (I wouldn't give him that much but we are talking worse case scenario here. We'd be spending $70 million on our best two players but still have $50 million to spend before we get under the cap. That's still a ton of money to spend.

So $25 million right now seems like a ton, but when you look at how much the cap is spiking, it's really not as bad as $25 today (just look at Chandler Parsons).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I personally wouldn't pay more for him because where he was drafted.

I think anyone that gets him is paying a premium for draft status... unless the Nets need to get off his caphold and make him unrestricted. If that happens I think he could be had in the 15-17M realm. But if he plays better than he is right now his price could sky.

Development wise if he could become a poor mans Kyrie I think that’s his ceiling. His finishing was better in other years but not as good as Kyrie’s obvi... to be worth the contract I think he will get this offseason I think he needs to be 45% FG and 40%+ from three and his defense needs to improve... not impossible but not what I’d project.

 

[LoPo]

1. For me he’s not a good enough of an improvement if at all, and if he is, it’s minimal. And he’d have the same affect AK had on the jazz with that contract preventing us from making any substantial improvements.

2. I’m on record saying we need to let Rubio walk and move Mitchell to pg.

I’m also of the mind set that we can sign big name free agents, not a LBJ or Durant type, but a Harris , Middleton type, yes. Will we, maybe maybe not. I don’t think the jazz have really too hard in the recent pass because the jazz were young and wanted to see what was cooking, but the time to make a splash is coming sooner then later.


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I respect your opinion.

The saying goes that a bird in hand is worth two in the bush. I would rather have Tobias or Middleton than Russell. However, I like our chances of making our best possible run with Mitchell, Gobert and Ingles by getting Russell before the deadline than hoping and praying we get Tobias or Middleton this summer. If we miss out on those two and don't get Russell or Rozier, we are more than likely going to have a Rubio, Exum or similar as our starting PG next year. And probably not an improvement at PF either.

I think Mitchell can play some PG, but won't be our primary PG.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Some skills here tho.

It's really funny some of what counts as an assist in the NBA.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It's really funny some of what counts as an assist in the NBA.

that was literally my first thought watching that... RHJ caught the ball dribble drived and scored... how that an assist... some home cooking there on the scorekeep

 

[LoPo]

It's really funny some of what counts as an assist in the NBA.

I thought the same thing. Quite the continuation on a couple of those.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Dude got benched in the 4th quarter tonight.

1/8 from the field
No FT's (no surprise)
3 points

 

[RickyStan]

Has anybody ever complained about Rubio's FT rate? I don't remember that ever being an issue. Rubio shoots 1.3 more FT per game than Russell. But people also have to remember - Rubio takes every technical free throw. I don't know the exact stat, but I would guess that he gets 1 FT per game simply from being the technical FT taker.

I think this is a massive over-estimate. There have been a total of 404 technicals for the whole league so far, meaning each team has shot an average of 13.4. Rubio is on the floor for about 60% of the minutes so assuming he takes every technical, that's probably about 7 free free throws.

Unfortunately i wasn't able to find the actual number by googling but i did get a link to a 53 consecutive technical free throw streak Rubio had, which was spread over 3 seasons (his last 2 in Minnesota, first in Utah).