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Sad isn't it? Was said to be the prodigy draft. I think the truth is that it was the potential draft and we got a guy with a lot of it.
Dante Exum has turned into Danny Green (...and his worrying lack of aggression)
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Sad isn't it? Was said to be the prodigy draft. I think the truth is that it was the potential draft and we got a guy with a lot of it.
I wanted Exum at 5 and if given the choice between them now, I'd choose Exum again. That doesn't mean that we can't say anything negative about him or we can't talk about any worries we have about him. This defensiveness and refusal to engage in any conversations about his shortcomings is insane.
Coach Ellis
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Kobe Bryant's first 10 games - (FG) 14/34 - (FG%) 41% - (3pt) 8/16 - (3pt%) 50% - (Reb) 12 - (Asst) 4 - (Steals) 1 - (Pts) 49 - (PPG) 4.90
Dante Exum's first 10 games - (FG) 19/46 - (FG%) 41% - (3pt) 8/28 - (3pt%) 29% - (Reb) 15 - (Asst) 25 - (Steals) 5 - (Pts) 55 - (PPG) 5.50
Kobe Bryant's first 20 games - (FG) 31/81 - (FG%) 38% - (3pt) 14/33 - (3pt%) 42% - (Reb) 31 - (Asst) 14 - (Steals) 4 - (Pts) 101 - (PPG) 5.05
Dante Exum's first 20 games - (FG) 31/85 - (FG%) 36% - (3pt) 14/47 - (3pt%) 30% - (Reb) 30 - (Asst) 42 - (Steals) 8 - (Pts) 89 - (PPG) 4.45
Kobe Bryant's first 30 games - (FG) 56/137 - (FG%) 41% - (3pt) 17/47 - (3pt%) 36% - (Reb) 50 - (Asst) 24 - (Steals) 14 - (Pts) 168 - (PPG) 5.60
Dante Exum's first 30 games - (FG) 51/119 - (FG%) 43% - (3pt) 25/68 - (3pt%) 37% - (Reb) 41 - (Asst) 58 - (Steals) 12 - (Pts) 151 - (PPG) 5.03
Kobe did play less minutes than Dante, but let's consider the circumstances. . .
A. Dante is no where nearly physically ready for the NBA. He needs to get a lot stronger and bust his *** working out with Gobert and Hayward this offseason. If he makes the kind of jump next year that Rudy, Derrick and Gordon have made so far this year. . . well damn. . .
B. The 2014/15 Utah Jazz are nowhere nearly as talented as the 1996/97 L. A. Lakers. While Hayward, Favors and Gobert have all look really good and very improved over last year, the Jazz don't have anyone like a Prime Shaquille O'Neal. Nick Van Excel was a quality starter, and Kobe was an assassin off the bench who was supposed to be aggressive and score when he was on the court. I don't think that Quin wants Dante to go quite that route yet.
C. Exum has one of the steepest jumps in competition in recent memory. From Australia HS kids to the NBA. Wow. He's still not in good enough condition to contribute much yet and he's not nearly as confident or aggressive as we'd like him to be. But I've seen him be that confident and that aggressive earlier during summer league and early in the season. As he gets stronger and the game slows down for him (and he continues to work daily with guys like Hayward and Gobert) I think that he'll become more confident and aggressive.
D. Exum is playing the way that his coach wants him to, while still contributing and generally being about as productive as a player like him should be at this point. I sure hope that he gets stronger and in better shape as the season goes along and becomes a more aggressive scorer and passer as Gobert, Favors and Hayward continue to show improvement as a starting unit.
E. This is a very, very young team that is very, very inconsistent. Trey Burke has really struggled shooting, but pretty much every young guy has shown improvement (if not considerable improvement) since the beginning of the season. I think that Quin Snyder might be the best developmental coach in the league. Dante will get better as he gets bigger and stronger. He still has that ridiculous length, vision, passing and first step. He's playing about as well as can be expected for a rookie 35 games into his first season against grown men, and should continue to get better as he gets more experience.
Coach Ellis
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A few things that I noticed when putting together the numbers from these two players. . .
Kobe's shot 41% consistently, but his 3pt% went down as he started shooting more. Dante's FG% is nearly identical, even though he started out pretty rough from 3pt%, and he has improved as he's gotten more experience and playing time. Whatever Quin's plan for him is, he's improving as a shooter and has been pretty consistent. Kobe was really hot or cold as a rookie. He had multiple games early on with no points at all. Dante has scored in almost every game he's played in. I'm hoping that the plan is for him to drive more and finish, which should lead to more drive and dishes. I'm pretty happy with his assist rate so far, and think that it should improve as he assumes a bigger role later this year. I'd like to see him run more P&R too. I think that he'd be pretty excellent at it with any of Rudy, Favors or Hayward. The Jazz have the potential to have an incredibly solid Core group going forward if Exum takes some big steps forward over the next 2 and a half years. I don't expect much from him this year or next. . . but I think that by year three he's stronger, faster, smarter and more confident and aggressive. I expect him and Gobert to be looked at in the same manner as Durant and Westbrook. Guys who you can build a team around. The only question is what to do with Hayward at that point.
Dumb Bloke
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Defensiveness and unwillingness? More like whats the point? He's a young prospect who's shown flashes and is a brilliant passer. He obviously does not have an NBA body yet so why worry until the boy becomes a man? He cant penetrate worth a damn because he cannot absorb contact. We knew this before the draft. It is not a shortcoming until he becomes a man.
QuinSnydersHair
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*Corbin sucked during Gobert's rookie year.
b_line
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If exum and gobert are our Westbrook and Durant, then we sure as hell should not trade away our harden or ibaka (hayward and favors).
Look at this one guys:
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At this point I feel like he can do that at will. Look at the quick decisive step before the hop-step, he leaves Rose two steps behind with a single sharp move, even after Rose goes under the screen. If teams have scouting reports on him I bet they say Dante looks for the pass every time he goes into the paint. That pass-fake will probably work with very high success rate right now.
Beat your man, create the advantage(I see real potential there with Dante... I think he can do it right now against pretty much every player he plays against(mostly secondary units)), if they are only guarding the pass, fake it and just go to the rim. He can do that so much more right now with the way they are guarding him.
[gfy]OddAfraidIncatern[/gfy]
At this point I feel like he can do that at will. Look at the quick decisive step before the hop-step, he leaves Rose two steps behind with a single sharp move, even after Rose goes under the screen. If teams have scouting reports on him I bet they say Dante looks for the pass every time he goes into the paint. That pass-fake will probably work with very high success rate right now.
Beat your man, create the advantage(I see real potential there with Dante... I think he can do it right now against pretty much every player he plays against(mostly secondary units)), if they are only guarding the pass, fake it and just go to the rim. He can do that so much more right now with the way they are guarding him.
QuinSnydersHair
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^
Great move. If that bottom guy in the corner can be a stud marksman, this could work fairly consistently.
Great move. If that bottom guy in the corner can be a stud marksman, this could work fairly consistently.