Dante Exum re-signed

[jope]

NBA.com are the actual numbers and accurately calculated. Bbref are an estimate.

So now you're trying to tell me Basketball reference doesn't use actual game data numbers? lol


Its a difference in the way they are running formulas on those numbers. I trust the formulas that say Gobert is a positive factor (bbref) over a negative one (nba.com).

 

[Ron Mexico]

So now you're trying to tell me Basketball reference doesn't use actual game data numbers? lol

They use estimates based on NBAs numbers.

I'll trust the source for the data. I'm not sure why you wouldn't believe their numbers, but that's fine if you want to ignore it.

They are also calculated different.

 

[jope]

They use estimates based on NBAs numbers.

I'll trust the source for the data. I'm not sure why you wouldn't believe their numbers, but that's fine if you want to ignore it.

They are also calculated different. Bball ref is based on per100 possessions.

like i said they are calculating it from the same data...


..... oRtg is always (or should be, who knows what nba.com is doing, they didnt document it) calculated on 100 possessions ........
Offensive Rating = (Points Produced / Individual Possessions) x 100

 

[Ron Mexico]

like i said they are calculating it from the same data...


..... oRtg is always (or should be) calculated on 100 possessions ........
Offensive Rating = (Points Produced / Individual Possessions) x 100

So you are saying that that basketball reference that gets their data from the NBA is more accurate than the NBA?

 

[jope]

So you are saying that that basketball reference that gets their data from the NBA is more accurate than the NBA?

I'm saying nba.com and bbref (and most other nba data purveyors) get their data from the same data repository. lol. Its not that hard to understand

 

[Ron Mexico]

I'm saying nba.com and bbref (and most other nba data purveyors) get their data from the same data repository. lol. Its not that hard to understand

Where does the data repository come from? And why is that bbref more accurate to you then the NBA?

You are right they are both based on per 100. But their calculations for NBA take in extra data that they have access to. They want their stats to be better than other places.

 

[jope]

Where does the data repository come from? And why is that bbref more accurate to you then the NBA?

You are right they are both based on per 100. But their calculations for NBA take in extra data that they have access to. They want their stats to be better than other places.

Wow, this is cumbersome to explain to you apparently. They all have the same data lol. They are applying different formulas to said data.

Now, if as you say, the NBA is doing extra stuff to get an "oRtg", then it isnt even an oRtg. oRtg and all the other standard adv stats are standard metrics that have defined formulas.

If what you said is true, then you just confirmed that nba.com is incorrect in their metric calculations for standardized categories and/or are misrepresenting said categories.

 

[bigmike]

Dante sounds like he's grown up quite a bit in this press conference. Sounds excited, poised, and very confident. I'm pumped to see his continued development.

 

[Zombie]

Exum's defense on Harden was as good as I've seen during that Houston series. Quibbling over numbers on a page just seems so silly, especially when it comes to defensive stats.

 

[jope]

Exum's defense on Harden was as good as I've seen during that Houston series. Quibbling over numbers on a page just seems so silly, especially when it comes to defensive stats.

He played Harden very well. The rest of the year, teams, and opponents, not as much. Thats why metrics matter, at least a little. I like Dante, i only argue that he should've been payed based on his results, not on a "what if", especially when there weren't any other suitors. His results are shotty at best.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Wow, this is cumbersome to explain to you apparently. They all have the same data lol. They are applying different formulas to said data.

Now, if as you say, the NBA is doing extra stuff to get an "oRtg", then it isnt even an oRtg. oRtg and all the other standard adv stats are standard metrics that have defined formulas.

If what you said is true, then you just confirmed that nba.com is incorrect in their metric calculations for standardized categories.

Actually I was wrong. I read that from an article but here is the calculation of the data from NBA.com for offensive rating for teams:

100*Points/(Team FGA + Team TOV + (0.44*Team FTA) – Team OREB)

They have a similar basic formula for individuals that is standard.

basketball reference has actually made their calculation much more complex and is too long to post. So I guess based on your assumptions and assertions bball ref is inaccurate.

But I was right that they both get their data from the NBA. The NBA does not release all of their data though. Some of the numbers from basketball are estimated.

I do find bball ref to be a good source for data. I find NBA.com to be much better though. Regardless, it seems like you are trying to find numbers to hurt Exum and ignoring ones that show he is good. I have posted plenty of numbers showing that in his limited minutes and games in the regular season he was one of our better players. Including that he had our best off rating and net rating.

 

[jope]

Actually I was wrong. I read that from an article but here is the calculation of the data from NBA.com for offensive rating for teams:

100*Points/(Team FGA + Team TOV + (0.44*Team FTA) – Team OREB)

They have a similar basic formula for individuals that is standard.

basketball reference has actually made their calculation much more complex and is too long to post. So I guess based on your assumptions and assertions bball ref is inaccurate.

But I was right that they both get their data from the NBA. The NBA does not release all of their data though. Some of the numbers from basketball are estimated.

I do find bball ref to be a good source for data. I find NBA.com to be much better though. Regardless, it seems like you are trying to find numbers to hurt Exum and ignoring ones that show he is good. I have posted plenty of numbers showing that in his limited minutes and games in the regular season he was one of our better players. Including that he had our best off rating and net rating.

According to nba.com , lol. I'm not cherry picking, there are just very few metrics on bbref that support that. (Including that he had our worst off rating and net rating.)