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Dante has been out forever because he ded

Jingled said:
After being out this long you have to think it's going to take Dante quite a while to find his rhythm and start playing well again once he finally comes back. Every game is so important from here on out, I really hope him being reinserted into the lineup doesn't mess things up too much.
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Not coming back, he ded.
 
It's obvious that the person that we drafted in 2014, Dante Exum, died sometime shortly after his ankle was sprained in early January. He was probably alive up to that point, unless the doppelganger the government or the Jazz found for him was able to play basketball at a fringe NBA level, which seems far less likely.

So why the cover up? Why not let it go public that he died? On one hand, it might be because they found an incredible Dante lookalike to sit on the sidelines so they could still trade him. But then they didn't trade him, so that possibility is out. So he must have died in some really bad way that would reflect poorly on the franchise.

My guess is that either a trainer killed him by mistake or Quin killed him out of rage or just a deeply-rooted need to kill. Those seem like the most likely scenarios to explain Dante's death and the subsequent cover up, since we know those two things to be factual.
 
LoPo said:
If people are gonna go all crybaby about wasted money, be objective. Udoh and Thabo waste the same amount of money and bench space as Exum.

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You've still yet to prove how they are worse. That is because you can't. Let's talk objectively:

-Dante Exum has never posted a positive VORP for a season (this season, VORP is -0.2). Both Udoh (a pure reserve) and Sefolosha (a 30-something player coming off of a significant knee injury) are posting a positive VORP (0.3 and 0.2, respectively).
-Dante Exum has never posted a positive BPM (+/-) for a season (this season, BPM is -3.1). Both Udoh and Sefolosha are posting a positive BPM (3.3 and 0.4, respectively).
-Exum has an inferior WS per 48 (a paltry .087) to both Sefolosha (.115 which is better by ~40%) and Udoh (.197, more than double).
-Exum has a 12.6 PER which hardly more productive than Sefolosha (who's contribution and role isn't at all conducive to PER) at 12.1, and is dwarfed by Udoh's 17.5 (again, whose role isn't to be productive).
-Neither Udoh or Sefolosha are on guaranteed contracts heading into the big cap space year (the only time salary matters for basketball purposes is in the context of being under the cap or above the luxury tax, a situation the Jazz haven't really been in since while Sefolosha and Udoh have been on the team).

My point isn't how great Sefolosha and Udoh are, my point is that even compared to end-of-bench players, Dante Exum is substantially and demonstrably worse at winning games. This isn't even actually my point; it's in response to your completely baseless claim that Exum is 'objectively' better than either player, which makes your claim that Exum is worth twice the salary (actually a lot more than that) almost-hilariously ****ing off.

We don't have to be flagrantly intellectually dishonest about this. Exum isn't good and he's being paid insane money on a longterm deal considering the reality of the situation.

I'm of course going to hope that he learns how to shoot, have good posture, breathe properly, and not shatter with nearly-impressive regularity. Nobody is actually rooting against Exum.
 
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What has happened with Dante is beyond comprehension. And I just don't get why the Jazz are so secretive about injuries. How much of an advantage does it give them in winning games? Very little. As we have seen, they are winning games with them being out. What it does show is that we could actually trade Dante and Rubio for some real assets without hurting the team. I'd keep Neto because of his low salary and capability to play as the 3rd PG (the injuries seems more to be of a recent trend rather than long term).
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
What has happened with Dante is beyond comprehension. And I just don't get why the Jazz are so secretive about injuries. How much of an advantage does it give them in winning games? Very little. As we have seen, they are winning games with them being out. What it does show is that we could actually trade Dante and Rubio for some real assets without hurting the team. I'd keep Neto because of his low salary and capability to play as the 3rd PG (the injuries seems more to be of a recent trend rather than long term).
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The secret is the Jazz are better without him and his injuries are basically a blessing to how well they play basketball.
 
When they say “will re-evaluate in 2 weeks” they’re actually trying to buy some more time to work on his new titanium-ankle clone.
 
NUMBERICA said:
You've still yet to prove how they are worse. That is because you can't. Let's talk objectively:

-Dante Exum has never posted a positive VORP for a season (this season, VORP is -0.2). Both Udoh (a pure reserve) and Sefolosha (a 30-something player coming off of a significant knee injury) are posting a positive VORP (0.3 and 0.2, respectively).
-Dante Exum has never posted a positive BPM (+/-) for a season (this season, BPM is -3.1). Both Udoh and Sefolosha are posting a positive BPM (3.3 and 0.4, respectively).
-Exum has an inferior WS per 48 (a paltry .087) to both Sefolosha (.115 which is better by ~40%) and Udoh (.197, more than double).
-Exum has a 12.6 PER which hardly more productive than Sefolosha (who's contribution and role isn't at all conducive to PER) at 12.1, and is dwarfed by Udoh's 17.5 (again, whose role isn't to be productive).
-Neither Udoh or Sefolosha are on guaranteed contracts heading into the big cap space year (the only time salary matters for basketball purposes is in the context of being under the cap or above the luxury tax, a situation the Jazz haven't really been in since while Sefolosha and Udoh have been on the team).

My point isn't how great Sefolosha and Udoh are, my point is that even compared to end-of-bench players, Dante Exum is substantially and demonstrably worse at winning games. This isn't even actually my point; it's in response to your completely baseless claim that Exum is 'objectively' better than either player, which makes your claim that Exum is worth twice the salary (actually a lot more than that) almost-hilariously ****ing off.

We don't have to be flagrantly intellectually dishonest about this. Exum isn't good and he's being paid insane money on a longterm deal considering the reality of the situation.

I'm of course going to hope that he learns how to shoot, have good posture, breathe properly, and not shatter with nearly-impressive regularity. Nobody is actually rooting against Exum.
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Spot on. Exum post of the year there.
 
NUMBERICA said:
You've still yet to prove how they are worse. That is because you can't. Let's talk objectively:

-Dante Exum has never posted a positive VORP for a season (this season, VORP is -0.2). Both Udoh (a pure reserve) and Sefolosha (a 30-something player coming off of a significant knee injury) are posting a positive VORP (0.3 and 0.2, respectively).
-Dante Exum has never posted a positive BPM (+/-) for a season (this season, BPM is -3.1). Both Udoh and Sefolosha are posting a positive BPM (3.3 and 0.4, respectively).
-Exum has an inferior WS per 48 (a paltry .087) to both Sefolosha (.115 which is better by ~40%) and Udoh (.197, more than double).
-Exum has a 12.6 PER which hardly more productive than Sefolosha (who's contribution and role isn't at all conducive to PER) at 12.1, and is dwarfed by Udoh's 17.5 (again, whose role isn't to be productive).
-Neither Udoh or Sefolosha are on guaranteed contracts heading into the big cap space year (the only time salary matters for basketball purposes is in the context of being under the cap or above the luxury tax, a situation the Jazz haven't really been in since while Sefolosha and Udoh have been on the team).

My point isn't how great Sefolosha and Udoh are, my point is that even compared to end-of-bench players, Dante Exum is substantially and demonstrably worse at winning games. This isn't even actually my point; it's in response to your completely baseless claim that Exum is 'objectively' better than either player, which makes your claim that Exum is worth twice the salary (actually a lot more than that) almost-hilariously ****ing off.

We don't have to be flagrantly intellectually dishonest about this. Exum isn't good and he's being paid insane money on a longterm deal considering the reality of the situation.

I'm of course going to hope that he learns how to shoot, have good posture, breathe properly, and not shatter with nearly-impressive regularity. Nobody is actually rooting against Exum.
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So many words... here is the only stat you need... he is 100% ded... tough to overcome.
 
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