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Dear Loggrad,

All I know, is there was a long stretch of games where the starting 5 would win the first quarter decisively, the reserves would come in and squander the lead and then the guys finishing the game would roar back and almost win the game. Seemed like that happened nearly every game for awhile there. I'm SO glad that we won't be seeing Burke, CJ, Lil'Sap and even Booker out there squandering those leads. Hopefully it means more decisive victories and closing out at the end of the game.

Still think the goal should be to keep teams under 90 points. Jazz can do it and when they play that style of defense it builds on itself.
 
Let me take some time to finally point out why I believe the Jazz will take a major step forward this year and win a significantly greater amount of games than last season. In no particular order...

1) Refs. Recently, someone here on Jazzfanz posted a link (I can't find it) with the number of wrong calls made by refs last year according to the team those calls went against. We were dead last and from what I recall, it wasn't even close. The refs screwed us. Big time. I don't believe it to be some conscious decision on their parts. I just believe that we had really, REALLY bad luck and weren't very respected. General common sense says that luck should turn around. MorEover, I think just having faces like Joe Johnson, George Hill and Boris Diaw will add some much needed respect to our team. WHether we like it or not, names oftentimes get calls, and even if those aren't the guys getting the calls, just having their faces on the bench adds some legitimacy to our team imo. +2 wins

2) Close games. We were awful last year and that's despite having one of the best statistical closers in the league in Hayward. That said, this too should balance out. While we were very unlucky in this regard last year, we should be better this season, perhaps even much better. I recall Kicky saying months ago that over the course of a season (and seasons), these things pretty much balance out (I don't know which thread it was in) and I see it unfolding that way for us this season. That doesn't mean we will be 18-6 in close games. I'm just thinking .500ish or better. If nothing else, the presence of Hill, Johnson and Diaw should really be a calming influence (even if they're on the bench) as games wind down and I think that along with a normal statistical regression helps us win a few more close games. In short, we should be much better here. +3 wins

3) Injuries/Bench Play. We had somewhere around 170 games missed from our top six players last year. That's about 30 games per player. Months ago, I looked up where we ranked as far as games missed go and I want to say we were fifth worst in the entire NBA. As far as top six players go, I'm not exactly sure but I'd have to think we were one of the worst three teams in the league. I see two possible scenarios this year and in both cases, the team performs much, much better. The first scenario is we are banged up almost equally as badly as last season. However, with our off-season acquisitions, we now have depth and can keep on ballin' without some huge hiccup. Hill gets injured? We have Dante. Burks goes down again? We have Joe Johnson. Favors or Lyles or Gobert go down. Diaw can play some meaningful minutes. And we aren't relegated to bringing in Tibor Pleiss, Chris Johnson and any other ******* for major minutes. That's the worst case scenario. The best case is we have minimal injuries and our 9-10 man rotation is one of the best in the NBA and we now have legit talent on the floor for 48 minutes a night. This should be our biggest aide in improving this season. Talent and depth and (hopefully) fewer injuries. +4 wins

4) Organic growth. Hayward has gotten better every season. He had little to work with last year (due to other's injuries) and still came out as an elite closer at end of games on offense, the #1 ranked small forward defensively (I forget which metric was used here), and was statistically very strong on offense in most ways. Add in what should be a huge leap for Exum (go back and watch SL last August) and at least small improvements in their games from Hood and Lyles and I like the upside of our guys. Then, by all accounts, Favos has worked his *** off, not settling for being a 16.5/8.5 guy and should be a monster this year. Basically, we were the second youngest team in the league last year and knowing that, have a ton of room for organic growth. That's not say I think all of our guys are going to max their potential let alone do so this season. But they should definitely get better. Most of them anyway. +2 wins

5) Vet presences. We needed this. We had basically no one (Booker? Ingles?) to lead, no one to truly hold one another accountable because they'll be listened, no one to teach, etcetera. Johnson, Hill and Diaw should be huge in this way now. + 1 win

That brings us to 52 wins and quite frankly, I think we should be much, much better as far as #2, #3 and #4 go. I see our absolute basement (more injuries, suck in close games again, refs suck again) at about 44 games. I see our absolute ceiling (Rudy is old Rudy and we are an elite defense) at about 61 wins. I see everything falling somewhere in the middle and us getting between 50-54 wins. My guess is 51.

None of this addresses the fact that it is a failed rebuild and will require blowing up in a couple years [if not next summer if Hayward walks (very likely)].

But, if we get 52 wins it will be a 1 fun season out of the last 7.
 
None of this addresses the fact that it is a failed rebuild and will require blowing up in a couple years [if not next summer if Hayward walks (very likely)].

But, if we get 52 wins it will be a 1 fun season out of the last 7.

This.
 
I'm more of a "mind the pennies and the pounds will take care of themselves" type of fan. I'd rather see a methodical approach to team building that keeps the Jazz knocking on the door as much as possible until they break through. If management followed a swing for the fences type of philosophy, meaning they'd be striking out 19 times out of 20, I'd be done watching.

If all fans of the NBA had the mindset that either their team needed to be in-line for a title this year or else they would stop being fans there would be no such thing as the NBA. That goes for the rest of pro sports. There's only one title per season and 30 teams. So if everyone got a turn (and not everyone gets a turn because so many skip their turn "swinging for the fences") that'd mean the Jazz would get one title in 30 years.

This idea that the Jazz are crap because they aren't pulling off miracles sucks, hard.
 
I'm more of a "mind the pennies and the pounds will take care of themselves" type of fan. I'd rather see a methodical approach to team building that keeps the Jazz knocking on the door as much as possible until they break through. If management followed a swing for the fences type of philosophy, meaning they'd be striking out 19 times out of 20, I'd be done watching.

If all fans of the NBA had the mindset that either their team needed to be in-line for a title this year or else they would stop being fans there would be no such thing as the NBA. That goes for the rest of pro sports. There's only one title per season and 30 teams. So if everyone got a turn (and not everyone gets a turn because so many skip their turn "swinging for the fences") that'd mean the Jazz would get one title in 30 years.

This idea that the Jazz are crap because they aren't pulling off miracles sucks, hard.

well put, common sense. Give the man a trophy.
 
None of this addresses the fact that it is a failed rebuild and will require blowing up in a couple years [if not next summer if Hayward walks (very likely)].

But, if we get 52 wins it will be a 1 fun season out of the last 7.

IIRC, you supported throwing any/all assets at OKC in order to acquire Harden, saying something along the lines of "this is what it takes to get THAT GUY and take the next step." As of today, who would you rather have, Hayward or Harden? Or, better, Hayward and the rest of the assets, or Harden?



As for me, (no homer) I'd rather have Hawyard. Harden's defense and leadership are extremely suspect. His offense is overrated, too (just ask any of his Houston teammates).
 
The problem with our rebuild has been that our draft picks haven't yielded a superstar (unless Exum really surprises). But I don't think that means it's a failed build. We have the pieces for a generationally great defense. Hayward will be an all-star. Hood could very well be better than him on offense by this season. Favors gets better every year.

Eventually you have to take the pieces you have, and crank the throttle.
 
IIRC, you supported throwing any/all assets at OKC in order to acquire Harden, saying something along the lines of "this is what it takes to get THAT GUY and take the next step." As of today, who would you rather have, Hayward or Harden? Or, better, Hayward and the rest of the assets, or Harden?



As for me, (no homer) I'd rather have Hawyard. Harden's defense and leadership are extremely suspect. His offense is overrated, too (just ask any of his Houston teammates).

“Nobody really appreciates what he does except for the players in our league,” Durant said. “Everybody on the outside doesn’t really appreciate what he brings. Anybody that can put up 29 points, seven rebounds, seven assists and not make the All-NBA team, that’s like a sin to even think about not putting a guy like that on the All-NBA team."

--Kevin Durant


You do realize the players voted James Harden MVP over Curry's first?
 
“Nobody really appreciates what he does except for the players in our league,” Durant said. “Everybody on the outside doesn’t really appreciate what he brings. Anybody that can put up 29 points, seven rebounds, seven assists and not make the All-NBA team, that’s like a sin to even think about not putting a guy like that on the All-NBA team."

--Kevin Durant


You do realize the players voted James Harden MVP over Curry's first?

ancient history
 
I will say, I would take Harden. He is a special talent that gets underrated for glaring (and yes problematic) defense and style of play. BUT if the question is if I'd take this group w/ Hayward or Harden w/ a lesser group (because we gave up assets to acquire Harden) then I take Hayward and our group. If that makes any sense.
 
I agree with both of these posts. I think it will take more to integrate the new guys and have concerns regarding Exum returning from a major injury so early in his career. Gobert had been somewhat inconsistent and I'm afraid that the other teams will have him scouted VERY well and will make great efforts to negate his defensive presence and exploit his offensive weaknesses. If all the stars perfectly align we might sniff 50. I still think 45-47 wins this season is our ceiling and will not be surprised to see injuries or chemistry issues drag us down a game or 2. So my estimate is still 45 but anywhere between 43 and 47 won't surprise me.

BUMP

For my insecure and testosterone deficient friends noas and dalamon. Here's your easy target. Have at it.

It appears the Jazz are on pace to win 50 games after the loss tonight. I predicted a ceiling of 47 with 50 being in reach if the stars aligned. Well with our injury issues and continued ******** treatment from the refs the stars seem to be well aligned. Here's hoping we put together one hell of an end to the season and we end at 60. Crow would never taste so sweet.
 
Huh. Nothing. Par for the course really.
 
BUMP

For my insecure and testosterone deficient friends noas and dalamon. Here's your easy target. Have at it.

It appears the Jazz are on pace to win 50 games after the loss tonight. I predicted a ceiling of 47 with 50 being in reach if the stars aligned. Well with our injury issues and continued ******** treatment from the refs the stars seem to be well aligned. Here's hoping we put together one hell of an end to the season and we end at 60. Crow would never taste so sweet.

You're a good dude, dude. This season has been a joy to watch....well, except for all the injuries.
 
(for the record, my comments about Harden in this thread are pretty eye-poppingly bad. I predicted Houston would be good, but I didn't think they'd be this good [on both sides of the ball] and I didn't see Harden thriving like this. I was wrong.)
 
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