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Game Thread Dec 05, 2025 05:30PM MT: Utah Jazz @ New York Knicks

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Zombie said:
Vs losing the pick? Absolutely those fans exist. They’re the ones panicking in game threads/on social media every time the Jazz have a lead in the fourth quarter.
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You said there are fans that wish the previous games were like this one. Didn't say anything about vs losing the pick.
Tankers want lots of close losses. That ain't this.

Now if there were a world where it was lose every game by 20 and keep the pick or not lose every game by 20 and lose the pick then ya, maybe there would be people who choose option A.
But that world doesn't exist.

There is a real world that exists where you can just lose lots of games, some blowouts and some close losses and some wins, and keep the pick.

That is what tankers want.
 
fishonjazz said:
You said there are fans that wish the previous games were like this one. Didn't say anything about vs losing the pick.
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It was pretty obviously implied.
fishonjazz said:
Now if there were a world where it was lose every game by 20 and keep the pick or not lose every game by 20 and lose the pick then ya, maybe there would be people who choose option A.
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Ok, so we agree then. Of course that world doesn’t actually exist, it was a hypothetical.
There is a real world that exists where you can just lose lots of games, some blowouts and some close losses and some wins, and keep the pick.

That is what tankers want.
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To be clear, this is also what I want. My original post was intended to bemoan the perverse incentive structure the league has built, not call out people who are pro tank.
 
Zombie said:
It was pretty obviously implied.

Ok, so we agree then. Of course that world doesn’t actually exist, it was a hypothetical.

To be clear, this is also what I want. My original post was intended to bemoan the perverse incentive structure the league has built, not call out people who are pro tank.
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Ah but even in your hypothetical world no jazz fan would be happy about getting blown out every game.
Would they choose what they feel is the lesser of two evils? Sure. But you're original post implied that hard core tankers loved that game tonight and would love a bunch more like it.
Not true. If the only options were those made up hypothetical ones then sure, some people work reluctantly choose all the blowouts but they wouldn't be happy about it.
 
fishonjazz said:
Ah but even in your hypothetical world no jazz fan would be happy about getting blown out every game.
Would they choose what they feel is the lesser of two evils? Sure. But you're original post implied that hard core tankers loved that game tonight and would love a bunch more like it.
Not true. If the only options were those made up hypothetical ones then sure, some people work reluctantly choose all the blowouts but they wouldn't be happy about it.
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I think you’re trying too hard to find a disagreement here bud.
 
Holy macaroni, Mario! I think they put cream in the carbonara!

And such a crime was also the way Jazz played.

It's tough though, B2B in NY with one of the crappiest team to follow with one of the grittiest. Put these other way around and it wasn't as ugly
 
Zombie said:
I think you’re trying too hard to find a disagreement here bud.
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Nah. I think we both agree. No one would be happy if the jazz got blown out every game even if it was the only way to keep our pick.
Some would be happy that we got to keep our pick and would prefer all the blowouts over not getting blown out and losing the pick but they would also hate all the games and the season as a whole.

No one was enjoying the game tonight. Other than knicks fans

I just get annoyed when I see posts that make it seem like tankers are unreasonable psychopaths. Your original post on this discussion came across that way to me.
 
fishonjazz said:
Nah. I think we both agree. No one would be happy if the jazz got blown out every game even if it was the only way to keep our pick.
Some would be happy that we got to keep our pick and would prefer all the blowouts over not getting blown out and losing the pick but they would also hate all the games and the season as a whole.

No one was enjoying the game tonight. Other than knicks fans

I just get annoyed when I see posts that make it seem like tankers are unreasonable psychopaths. Your original post on this discussion came across that way to me.
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We’ll get blown out with Cody and TH, we’ll get blown out when we’re trying to win like tonight. Part of the absurdity with “winning culture” is we’re a bad team either way. The choice is a a bad team with a pick or a slightly less bad (but still bad) with no pick.

It’s not like deciding between Don+Rudy or tanking.
 
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