Dennis Schroeder "will seek other opportunities to be a starter"...

[Jazz4ever]

With Schroeder looking like he has taken the next step this could get interesting. Teague and Schroeder are too small to play together, especially with no shot blocking center. They got out rebounded by 19 tonight its already a problem. Teague only has 1 year left after this as well, so it's unlikely his trade value will ever be higher. Realistically they want Burks or Hood to start, Pleiss thrown in as they like bigs who can shoot. They'll also try hard for a 1st maybe DL talks them down to the GS 1st. Anyways, an interesting scenario to follow especially if Burke and Neto suck it up and begin costing us games.

 

[fishonjazz]

Trading Harden was the right move. No way James looks like an MVP player being OKC 6th man.

Was there some rule that wouldn't allow okc to start harden?

 

[framer]

With Schroeder looking like he has taken the next step this could get interesting. Teague and Schroeder are too small to play together, especially with no shot blocking center. They got out rebounded by 19 tonight its already a problem. Teague only has 1 year left after this as well, so it's unlikely his trade value will ever be higher. Realistically they want Burks or Hood to start, Pleiss thrown in as they like bigs who can shoot. They'll also try hard for a 1st maybe DL talks them down to the GS 1st. Anyways, an interesting scenario to follow especially if Burke and Neto suck it up and begin costing us games.

Swapping out Hood or Burks for Teague (plus parts and picks obviously.) would make this team ultra sexy. I love Burks and Hood, but Teague is a San Antonio type point guard that doesn't suck defensively. Would allow us to bring along Exum slowly until he can dominate.

 

[Miggs]

I'd trade Burks and solid assets for Teague.

Teague-Hood-Hayward-Favors-Gobert is sexy as hell and we'd still have Burke-whoever-whoever-Lyles-Withey off the bench.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'd trade Burks and solid assets for Teague.

Teague-Hood-Hayward-Favors-Gobert is sexy as hell and we'd still have Burke-whoever-whoever-Lyles-Withey off the bench.

Meh. I'm not in love with Teague at all. I'm weary of him. He looked good in Atlanta, but they had ultimate spacing. Playing in Utah would be a complete change and I dont know if he is good enough to really help us out on offense that much.

 

[Miggs]

Meh. I'm not in love with Teague at all. I'm weary of him. He looked good in Atlanta, but they had ultimate spacing. Playing in Utah would be a complete change and I dont know if he is good enough to really help us out on offense that much.

Are you high? Dude has improved every year in the league (I'd guess he's still only 24 years old) and we have Hood and Hayward to space the floor. Maybe we don't have the stretch 4 (Millsap) but Jesus, are you thinking things through? This would take us to the next level.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

The better he plays the more expensive he gets, and he's not even a RFA till next season.

The Jazz would have to over pay, big time.

So, is another year (at least) delay in waiting for Exum worth possibly a core piece? IMO yes. I think Burks or Hood would get it done, include Burke and/or a pick and make it happen. Let Exum prove his worth and, if he's as good as his first season, he's an amazing backup for the next 2 years, at least.

Time to be bold.

 

[Hotdog]

Be bold you say?

The Jazz should really be going after Zach Lavine. He'd be perfect for us.

I'd trade them Exum for LaVine too. Wouldn't care what the league thought of it either.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Be bold you say?

The Jazz should really be going after Zach Lavine. He'd be perfect for us.

I'd trade them Exum for LaVine too. Wouldn't care what the league thought of it either.

Agreed, I think we should trade Hayward for JR Smith, Gobert for Mcgee and Favors for Josh Smith so we could have the lowest BBIQ in the NBA. But we would be athletic and thats more important.

 

[Hotdog]

Agreed, I think we should trade Hayward for JR Smith, Gobert for Mcgee and Favors for Josh Smith so we could have the lowest BBIQ in the NBA. But we would be athletic and thats more important.

These are the type of posts that when you bump 3 years later they look really dumb.

 

[Ron Mexico]

These are the type of posts that when you bump 3 years later they look really dumb.

Sorry for agreeing with you then. I guess ill look real dumb when Exum is an all-star. Lavine preseason is looking like he is about to have a break out season though.

 

[Hotdog]

Sorry for agreeing with you then. I guess ill look real dumb when Exum is an all-star. Lavine preseason is looking like he is about to have a break out season though.

He's already flashed his potential. Why do people dismiss that? Ya, his preseason doesn't look great, but he's playing for a new coach already. He's only 20 years old. He got limited minutes in the preseason. He's also on a team that has a log jam at both his positions. So ya, it's gonna take a little bit maybe to get going. There's a learning curve.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Are you high? Dude has improved every year in the league (I'd guess he's still only 24 years old) and we have Hood and Hayward to space the floor. Maybe we don't have the stretch 4 (Millsap) but Jesus, are you thinking things through? This would take us to the next level.

The Hawks put 4 guys on the floor who can hit a 3. Even Horford is shooting 3's now. The spacing on Atlanta is about as good as it gets in the NBA. It's a driving PG's dream. It would be night/day difference playing in Utah alongside Gobert and Favors.

I just don't think the Jazz should overpay for any PG's whose game revolves around on-ball driving. They won't look as good here as they look elsewhere. We either need a big PG who can play in our switching defensive system, a PG with a lot of potential, or a PG who can shoot. Luckily we have a guy like Exum who fits at least 2/3 of those things and seems like he has shooting potential.

If we are going to overpay for a PG from Atlanta, I' rather have it be Schroeder who has way more potential than Teague. Teague would go from a borderline top 10 PG to a borderline top 20 PG if Utah got him.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He's already flashed his potential. Why do people dismiss that? Ya, his preseason doesn't look great, but he's playing for a new coach already. He's only 20 years old. He got limited minutes in the preseason. He's also on a team that has a log jam at both his positions. So ya, it's gonna take a little bit maybe to get going. There's a learning curve.

The coach was doing what Flip wanted him to do. He wasn't flipping the script and changing **** up.

 

[Hotdog]

The coach was doing what Flip wanted him to do. He wasn't flipping the script and changing **** up.

What about he's only 20 years old?

 

[Ron Mexico]

He's already flashed his potential. Why do people dismiss that? Ya, his preseason doesn't look great, but he's playing for a new coach already. He's only 20 years old. He got limited minutes in the preseason. He's also on a team that has a log jam at both his positions. So ya, it's gonna take a little bit maybe to get going. There's a learning curve.

Maybe the kid pans out, he has athleticism through the roof. I dont really care if he does or doesnt. What he has shown is that his bb iq is low. He makes bad decisions and doesnt play defense despite being athletic and good size for his position, which means he is trying or is really dumb. Bot of those are a problem.

What Exum has shown is that he is elite at defense at his position. He has shown potential to shoot, drive and pass the ball well and is widely praised as very high bb iq, high effort and a hard worker. Those are traits that are valuable at the PG position. PG demands a high IQ since the ball is in your hands so much. Zach has only showed flashes of offensive talent, the only thing he is elite at is jumping. That skill while nice is not all that important from your PG.

In short maybe he ends up being better than Exum, it has a possibility of happening. But right now all signs point to Exum being better and it would be foolish/dumb to make that trade with the information that we have right now. Fortunately the Jazz know and like what they have in Exum. The injury was a real bummer in the short term for this team and Exum. But that does not change his career trajectory and he will come back with more athletic next time you see him in a game than before the injury.

 

[Hotdog]

Maybe the kid pans out, he has athleticism through the roof. I dont really care if he does or doesnt. What he has shown is that his bb iq is low. He makes bad decisions and doesnt play defense despite being athletic and good size for his position, which means he is trying or is really dumb. Bot of those are a problem.

What Exum has shown is that he is elite at defense at his position. He has shown potential to shoot, drive and pass the ball well and is widely praised as very high bb iq, high effort and a hard worker. Those are traits that are valuable at the PG position. PG demands a high IQ since the ball is in your hands so much. Zach has only showed flashes of offensive talent, the only thing he is elite at is jumping. That skill while nice is not all that important from your PG.

In short maybe he ends up being better than Exum, it has a possibility of happening. But right now all signs point to Exum being better and it would be foolish/dumb to make that trade with the information that we have right now. Fortunately the Jazz know and like what they have in Exum. The injury was a real bummer in the short term for this team and Exum. But that does not change his career trajectory and he will come back with more athletic next time you see him in a game than before the injury.

A knee problem is still a worry. It's not a good thing. So that can't be dismissed. Some recoveries are better than others.

I agree with some of what you said about Exum, but the fact that he plays real timid is also a concern. And a big one too. So to me he has some mental hurdles as well. Pretty much Exum was a better defender, but that's it. Zach made some mistakes, but he also did a lot of good things on offense. Lavine is a better offensive player offensive player now, and have he has the potential to be better than Exum imo.

Either way it's a gamble. Sit pat with Exum, and see what you get. Trade him while maybe he has some on paper value still, maybe we come out better.

We have to aim high if we ever want to win the Championship. We should have went after Harden, we should have went after Bledsoe, and other players as well. But we sit pat a lot trying to just break even with what we got. Exum looks like he could be good, but cmon, let's be honest he doesn't have dominant player written all over him. It's a very lofty dream to believe so. His ceiling is top 30 player at best. He doesn't have the personality to try and dominate. He's got the potential to be a really good team player, and that's great, that's why we won't trade him for just anything. We'll trade him for the soon to be great Zach Lavine. The man who has greatness written all over him. That's a bold move. That's how you get a great player before they become untouchable.

 

[Hekate]

We talk about Exum's shooting potential but Lavine is already a better shooter both in both spop-ups and off-the-dribble.

 

[BTP]

It was a terrible move. He would have looked pretty good as a 6th man and could have, at the very least, gotten more than Jeremy Lamb for him if they didnt trade him out of $$$ desperation.

Was there some rule that wouldn't allow okc to start harden?

There's interesting questions about today's Harden hypothetically playing in a starting lineup with Brodie and Durant:
-Would Brodie be willing to take a backseat in the half court offense and acknowledge Harden's superior court awareness in these situations, focus on cuts and attacking scrambling defenses off screens?
(If I think about it: These 3 are the best of all worlds. Westbrook is a 1 man wrecking crew in transition. Harden a master facilitator in screen and roll/pop situations. And if both pushing the ball and executing a set play didn't work, you just give it to Durant with 7 on the clock and you got a top3 isolation behemoth providing you with a pretty high floor for every possession)
-How would Ibaka react to an even lower usage?(I think he would just focus more on defense)
-The best thing about keeping Harden back then, they'd avoid the Waiters/Kanter trap. These were risky gambles.
-And then you look at the newest revelation, that the Wiz made Brad Beal available for Harden. And you just shake your head what the hell Sam Presti was thinking to roll with the Houston offer.

Are you high? Dude has improved every year in the league (I'd guess he's still only 24 years old) and we have Hood and Hayward to space the floor. Maybe we don't have the stretch 4 (Millsap) but Jesus, are you thinking things through? This would take us to the next level.

Teague is 27. He knows his long range shot is iffy, and takes it only if wide open. His feet are too uncoordinated to play good defense, but he's got a nice first step getting into the lane and knows how to use angles around the hoop very well.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I like both Teague and Dennis... Dennis would cost more to acquire than Jeff though. My guess is he is untouchable unless they got a win now piece they loved. He's really their only young prospect.

With that said Dennis got going against Steve Blake, so it is a bit unfair and a small sample size to compare the two. He looked like the better guard though.

All the LaVine love is great... he is the point guard version of Kanter. You want your PG to be the smartest guy on the team or close to it. Not sure LaVine will ever tick that box. He is a hard worker though.

The guys I wonder if we will regret passing are Smart and Payton... as well as Shroeder in the Burke year (I have to admit I really liked Trey in college). All the people loving on Dennis though should know this was no sure thing. Remember all the love Bismack got and he came out of nowhere... Shroeder could have been similar. The draft is an imperfect science... when you hit you just thank the basketball gods.