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Deron Williams agress with Besiktas (turkish team )Derom Williams to play in Turkey during lockout

Sure it's a little hyperbole. But players don't want to make 1/5th or less of what they can make, and they don't want to live overseas. So the ploy doesn't work.
 
billyshelby said:
Sure it's a little hyperbole. But players don't want to make 1/5th or less of what they can make, and they don't want to live overseas. So the ploy doesn't work.
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Why does it have to be a ploy?

Deron went from making no money playing basketball to making 350k a month.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Why does it have to be a ploy?

Deron went from making no money playing basketball to making 350k a month.
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For Deron it's merely a way to play competitive basketball until the issues get resolved. It's like "low" paid training camp and he's coming off injury so he needs it. But the contract stipulates he says sayonara once the lockout is over.

The spin has been that other players could do this which would put pressure on the owners in negotiations. That's the ploy. But owners are not going to feel pressure since no significant players will sign longterm deals.
 
jazzman12 said:
Some will say that guys like D-Will heading to Turkey during the lockout hurts the player's leverage. I've already seen it said that these players need to remain here in order to show solidarity as a group and make the owners realize how serious they are.

I think just the opposite is true...
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I tend to agree.
 
billyshelby said:
For Deron it's merely a way to play competitive basketball until the issues get resolved. It's like "low" paid training camp and he's coming off injury so he needs it. But the contract stipulates he says sayonara once the lockout is over.

The spin has been that other players could do this which would put pressure on the owners in negotiations. That's the ploy. But owners are not going to feel pressure since no significant players will sign longterm deals.
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Protecting your (continually depreciating asset for which you can claim a loss that adds up to tens of millions of dollars every year) asset (injury) isn't incentive?
 
billyshelby said:
Sure it's a little hyperbole. But players don't want to make 1/5th or less of what they can make, and they don't want to live overseas. So the ploy doesn't work.
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The players won't be getting any paychecks while the lockout drags on, thus it's not like he's going to Turkey just to make "1/5th" of what he is currently making. Obviously, these NBA players are all going to have outs in their Euro contract as soon as the lockout ends. So Deron gets to go to Turkey, make 6 figures or more, and the instant the lockout is over he immediately gets to come back to the NBA and resumes getting his paychecks from the Nets.

How in the hell is that a ploy?
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
The owners all have to be on the same page. Just because Prokorov wants something doesn't the rest of the owners will also.
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Agreed, but if this lockout snowballs we'll start seeing more and more players electing to do what D-Will has already agreed to. That's going to start effecting more and more of these owners. I'm not saying it will make the owners completely flip on all of their demands and come back to the negotiations with their tails between their legs but it's definitely going to give them something to think about. It certainly adds leverage in the players favor IMO.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Protecting your (continually depreciating asset for which you can claim a loss that adds up to tens of millions of dollars every year) asset (injury) isn't incentive?
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Two ways to look at this: One, If Deron gets hurt, but the new CBA allows him to resign him, Prokhorov will look the other way. The endgame is Deron resigning, not losing money next year. Two, Deron gets hurt and doesn't resign (or suffers a career altering injury). At that point, you can expect Prokhorov to have a team of lawyers scrutinizing every legal angle to withhold Deron's pay for breach of contract.

The broad answer to your question is no, I don't see great incentive. Prokhorov has to play nice with Deron (for now.) And since injury is the snake eyes dice roll, he'll cross his fingers and play the odds.
 
jazzman12 said:
The players won't be getting any paychecks while the lockout drags on, thus it's not like he's going to Turkey just to make "1/5th" of what he is currently making. Obviously, these NBA players are all going to have outs in their Euro contract as soon as the lockout ends. So Deron gets to go to Turkey, make 6 figures or more, and the instant the lockout is over he immediately gets to come back to the NBA and resumes getting his paychecks from the Nets.

How in the hell is that a ploy?
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You're thinking like a civilian. Players don't want to lose the prime of their careers in Europe (or worse.) They're not going to happily wait out the owners in Bulgaria. And since the owners, by all accounts, are willing to give up the whole season, they'll be in the same place they were before facing another year overseas. More importantly, not every player is going to get a gig overseas. Those leagues have their own stars who sell seats, and don't want every single NBA guy out of a job. So the voting bloc for contracts will still tilt heavily toward guys who don't have jobs.
 
billyshelby said:
Two ways to look at this: One, If Deron gets hurt, but the new CBA allows him to resign him, Prokhorov will look the other way. The endgame is Deron resigning, not losing money next year. Two, Deron gets hurt and doesn't resign (or suffers a career altering injury). At that point, you can expect Prokhorov to have a team of lawyers scrutinizing every legal angle to withhold Deron's pay for breach of contract.

The broad answer to your question is no, I don't see great incentive. Prokhorov has to play nice with Deron (for now.) And since injury is the snake eyes dice roll, he'll cross his fingers and play the odds.
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Getting your money back on a franchise-player isn't worth the player lost. If any other stars go, that's nothing but leverage for the players in this situation.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Getting your money back on a franchise-player isn't worth the player lost. If any other stars go, that's nothing but leverage for the players in this situation.
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He's not losing the player for even one second of whatever regular season transpires. He's assuming an injury risk for a player he doesn't have signed after this season. You could convince me that Mickey Arison would be motivated if DWade or Lebron did the same thing, but those guys won't do that. They have WAY too much to lose. Deron is a unique case.
 
billyshelby said:
He's not losing the player for even one second of whatever regular season transpires. He's assuming an injury risk for a player he doesn't have signed after this season. You could convince me that Mickey Arison would be motivated if DWade or Lebron did the same thing, but those guys won't do that. They have WAY too much to lose. Deron is a unique case.
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So he traded every good asset that team had besides Brook Lopez simply for a guy whose contract expires next offseason? Here I thought they were actually trying to get and keep a player.

And how do you know he's not losing the player for even one second? That's some crystal ball you have there.
 
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