It is very interesting, How will the picks pan out for Utah? Favors? Harris and his future with the Jazz? Utah did trade away an amazing player and I hate to say it but im watching and hoping Dwill gets another star (d-Howard) to play alongside with in Jersey. And How many of us think Dwill will actually stay in Jersey? If No Howard and no Player tag in the new CBA, I think he might be good as gone.
Deron Williams would have been fifth-team All-NBA
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vslice02
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In the past 18 seasons, only two players - Deron Williams and Chris Paul - have average atleast 20 points and 10 assists in a season.
I don't give a **** if you think Deron had a good season or not, that's a fact and supports my original claim that despite the wrist injury and the losing, Deron still had a very productive season statistically.
And as you've often alluded to, yes, expanding the parameters will shockingly yield more results.
Players can have historically great seasons statistically even though some of their other contributions (adjusted +/-, TS%, ect) or their team's success may decline. Kobe averaged 35 ppg in 2006 yet still lost in the first-round; Wilt turned in one of the most dominant seasons ever by averaging 50 & 26 yet his team lost 31 games and didn't win a championship. It's shocking the impact playing on a talented team with a better supporting cast can have.
Oh and by the way...In the past 18 seasons, only two players - Deron Williams and Chris Paul - have average atleast 20 points and 10 assists in a season.
Not getting anymore meaningful.
Hey, did you know that over 14 seasons, only Jerry Stackhouse and Michael Jordan had a season where a player averaged at least 29.8 apg, 5.1 apg, and 3.9 rpg.
That's a fact. I'm sure it is very helpful in assessing Stackhouse as a player.
Hey, did you know that over 14 seasons, only Jerry Stackhouse and Michael Jordan had a season where a player averaged at least 29.8 apg, 5.1 apg, and 3.9 rpg.
That's a fact. I'm sure it is very helpful in assessing Stackhouse as a player.
Now DWill is the Stackhouse to CP3's Jordan? Laughable hate.
The Jazz traded a top 2/3 PG. A great player still entering his prime, not a diminishing contributor in your original post, and that's why the Jazz good assets in return. That's that.
Gyp Rosetti
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I don't. I see his shot improving over the summer and Harden improving vastly as well, thus taking some of the burden off of Westbrook. In short, Durant works as hard as anyone in the league not named Kobe and I see them following his lead, no matter how this season ends.
What about Harden getting better or Westbrook getting an improved shot will improve Westbrook's ****** attitude, bad shot selection, and pressure he puts on his own offense?
You missed the point, it's designed to demonstrate how easy it is to manipulate those kind of benchmarking statistics by highlighting the exact accomplishments of one player and then manipulating the timeframe. It's not meant to be a comparison between Deron and Stackhouse.
If I went forward instead of backward for example there would have been a number of players that passed that benchmarking test like Lebron, Kobe, Tracy McGrady and Dwayne Wade but I'm able to iso Stackhouse and Jordan through manipulation of time period and use of specific tests that Stackhouse happens to meet.
You know, because teams always value players exactly appropriately. In any event, the whole reason I think the decline is interesting is because of the change in conversation between where we were at this time last year and where we are now. Put another way, based on that voting it is questionable whether Deron would make the All-Star team if we were picking them today. There's no way we would have predicted that. And if this is something that carries forward with any kind of reliability there's a legitimate argument to be made regarding whether or not the Jazz sold high.
Gyp Rosetti
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His and Harden's improvement will lessen the pressure Westbrook has put on himself to be thee guy next to Durant. It's not rocket science. He knows he's looked at as a stud and as one of the two guys who has to carry the team. In working hard to improve his shot and Harden improving greatly (my prediction is he will be the league's most improved player next year), Westbrook will learn over the course of the season, that he needn't take the ill-advised shots he's been taking because there's another option. He may not take three or four of those bad shots a game and instead elect to find Harden for a better look, thus improving efficiency. Said individual and team efficiency will then improve the team as a whole and his attitude should come with it.
Just like how Kobe's attitude miraculously improved with the addition of Pau.
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I still think Westbrook is a bad fit alongside Durant. They would be better off with a top 5 big man, instead of a top 5 PG. Jordan/Kobe/Wade never needed elite or even close to elite PG's because they are the ones that create the offense best.
Harden will not be the most improved player next year either. It's impossible with Durant and Westbrook dominating the ball. Ibaka has a better shot than Harden if he can expand his offense.
Everyone here could take their best guess as to who will be most improved next year and I would still take "the field." Almost by definition the award goes to guys for whom the development was rapid and unpredictable.