Actually, it pretty much goes to whoever improved their PPG the most.
Deron Williams would have been fifth-team All-NBA
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Actually, it pretty much goes to whoever improved their PPG the most.
SojoDave
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Deron is a unique point guard and I think his attitude could be his demise. He complained his way out of Utah and it sounds to me like he is doing the same thing in New Jersey. If he keeps bouncing around to teams, he may never find his dream situation and before he knows it he will be in his mid 30's and an older Deron won't be pretty. Deron has real problems guarding quick guards now and his cross-over won't be so pretty when he slows even more. I think Deron and Bozer will not age well in the NBA.
I don't know about the attitude stuff, but barring significant injury, Deron can be Chauncey Billups at Chauncey Billups' age.
Yeeeaaahhh... not seeing it. Kobe was pissed because he was getting old on a floundering team that was in the middle of a sloppy rebuild. He wanted a(nother) ring and the clock was ticking. Besides that, he had been a spoiled player his entire career and had always been a bit of a bitch.
What is Westbrook's problem? If his concern is 'how much he has to hande' then he should probably let the guy that is A LOT BETTER at scoring shoot the ball more, instead of shooting sometimes 30 shots a night. Westbrook's problem is not his team that is bursting with talent and would naturally only get better, his problem is his own head.
Besides, is or was James Harden really not that good, or could he just never touch the ball with Westbrook on the court? If Westbrook thinks he needs to take a lot more shots than the most gifted scorer in the NBA today (Durant), what will Harden have to do to not only earn his trust, but simultaneously change Westbrook's attitude about the game AND start getting possessions? This isn't Harden's problem or anyone else's except Westbrook, and some combination of his shrink(s) and coach(es).
JAZZFAN_2814
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I tend to think that Deron is still arguably the best PG in the league.
Yes, better than Rose. Possibly as good and/or better than Paul.
All-NBA team votes don't prove all that much, unless we're talking about outlier talent that is backed by hype or so obvious that even morons like Marc Stein can't deny. The Daniel Day Lewis standard? Within that, there are a few guys per decade that are automatics -- in the 90s, it was Malone and Jordan, for the 00s it was Duncan, Shaq (pre-decline, natch) and Kobe. But even within that group, the latter and more recent, it became arbitrary and questionable -- Duncan making All-NBA over the last couple seasons has been highly suspect, either as a talent evaluation or pure statement of the lack of such talent at the position. His making All-NBA 3rd team last year was a near disaster; the fact that he was All-Defensive second team is retarded.
But, also, and honestly, returning to Deron specifically, the NBA has a glut of "great" point guards at the moment, largely thanks to the new(ish) hand-check rule that has made perimeter defense a joke.
Sometimes I watch Rose, who I'm actually rooting for, and I ask myself whether he'd be anything more than Steve Francis without the softer rules. The sad part is the near-certainty of outcome through FT attempts in the next series, with LeBron and Wade shooting more than a prime Shaq.
On Rose, the Bulls are a very questionable offensive squad, which most use to further hype him and justify the MVP. But when watching and analyzing the Bulls offense, a point becomes so very obvious: the team lacks in shot-creation, either individually or through facilitation.
The former helps Rose's case as "the man", but the latter points to a player with lacking skillsets and arguable mindset positionally; as well, a general argument of what makes a truly great player and how Rose fits into that, whether he really does at all. Shot creation and manipulation of game-flow from that is a very big deal, and something that can be read in such way as to answer the question as to whether a player "makes his teammates better".
I believe that players like Chris Paul and Deron are still better than the other points in the league as far as high-level facilitation. Rose? Is often mediocre at best.
He's a semi-volume scorer out of the PG slot. Relative to the NBA's goals, this is a very attractive player.
But do I think he's clearly the better talent than Williams or Paul? No.
Names like Rondo and Nash are basically an I Ching argument on balance: one can't score and the other can't defend or, for that matter, play at a defensive pace or on a defensive squad.
CP3 and DWill are still right there and, on talent, are the best overall players at their positions. Both come with question marks -- Deron's mental state, Paul's physical durability -- but the skillset parameters still favor them by a good amount, particularly as Point Guards.
Yes, better than Rose. Possibly as good and/or better than Paul.
All-NBA team votes don't prove all that much, unless we're talking about outlier talent that is backed by hype or so obvious that even morons like Marc Stein can't deny. The Daniel Day Lewis standard? Within that, there are a few guys per decade that are automatics -- in the 90s, it was Malone and Jordan, for the 00s it was Duncan, Shaq (pre-decline, natch) and Kobe. But even within that group, the latter and more recent, it became arbitrary and questionable -- Duncan making All-NBA over the last couple seasons has been highly suspect, either as a talent evaluation or pure statement of the lack of such talent at the position. His making All-NBA 3rd team last year was a near disaster; the fact that he was All-Defensive second team is retarded.
But, also, and honestly, returning to Deron specifically, the NBA has a glut of "great" point guards at the moment, largely thanks to the new(ish) hand-check rule that has made perimeter defense a joke.
Sometimes I watch Rose, who I'm actually rooting for, and I ask myself whether he'd be anything more than Steve Francis without the softer rules. The sad part is the near-certainty of outcome through FT attempts in the next series, with LeBron and Wade shooting more than a prime Shaq.
On Rose, the Bulls are a very questionable offensive squad, which most use to further hype him and justify the MVP. But when watching and analyzing the Bulls offense, a point becomes so very obvious: the team lacks in shot-creation, either individually or through facilitation.
The former helps Rose's case as "the man", but the latter points to a player with lacking skillsets and arguable mindset positionally; as well, a general argument of what makes a truly great player and how Rose fits into that, whether he really does at all. Shot creation and manipulation of game-flow from that is a very big deal, and something that can be read in such way as to answer the question as to whether a player "makes his teammates better".
I believe that players like Chris Paul and Deron are still better than the other points in the league as far as high-level facilitation. Rose? Is often mediocre at best.
He's a semi-volume scorer out of the PG slot. Relative to the NBA's goals, this is a very attractive player.
But do I think he's clearly the better talent than Williams or Paul? No.
Names like Rondo and Nash are basically an I Ching argument on balance: one can't score and the other can't defend or, for that matter, play at a defensive pace or on a defensive squad.
CP3 and DWill are still right there and, on talent, are the best overall players at their positions. Both come with question marks -- Deron's mental state, Paul's physical durability -- but the skillset parameters still favor them by a good amount, particularly as Point Guards.
Jazz4ever
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If your making a skill checklist Deron certainly beats Rose on most categories. The wildcard is Rose's athleticism is just off the charts. It allows him to finish at the rim, recover on defense, and be an absolute terror in any fast break situation. What's scary is Rose is only 22. At the same age Deron was just completing his first season, arguing with Sloan over minutes.