Derrick Favors "terrible" Offensive Game

[b_line]

Yes. When a player draws a shooting foul, he also burns a possession, so points per fga rewards players who draw fouls too much (unless you think a shooting foul is worth as much as an extra possession...which obviously isn't the case).

For example:

Player 1 goes 4/7 from the floor, scores 8 points and commits zero turnovers.

Player 2 goes 2/5 from the floor, 2/4 from the line and commits 1 turnover.


Player 1 has scored 8 points on 7 possessions (1.14 points per possession). His points per shot is 1.14.

Player 2 has scored 6 points on 8 possessions (0.75 points per possession). His points per shot is 1.2.


Even though player 1 has scored more than 50% more points per possession than player 2, player 2's points per shot is higher than player 1's.

I understand that. But you are not comparing apples to apples. What about the player who shoots 4/8 and goes to the line and makes 3/4?

Favors shoots 47% and al shoots 49%. They are not shooting that much differently. You can't say one shoots 4/7 and one shoots 2/5 and say they are on the same level. An efficient player shoots around 50% AND gets to the line. Favors does turn it over though. That would take efficiency down.

 

[GVC]

I understand that. But you are not comparing apples to apples. What about the player who shoots 4/8 and goes to the line and makes 3/4?

Favors shoots 47% and al shoots 49%. They are not shooting that much differently. You can't say one shoots 4/7 and one shoots 2/5 and say they are on the same level. An efficient player shoots around 50% AND gets to the line. Favors does turn it over though. That would take efficiency down.

The whole point of my post was to explain why points per shot is complete garbage. Do you understand that much?

Points per possession is what you want to measure.

The player who shoots 4/8 and 3/4 scores 11 points on 10 possessions (assuming no and-1s).

By your preferred metric, points per shot, the player who shoots 0/3 from the floor and 4/10 from the line is better than the player who shoots 4/8 from the floor and 3/4 from the line. Simple enough?

 

[b_line]

The whole point of my post was to explain why points per shot is complete garbage. Do you understand that much?

Points per possession is what you want to measure.

The player who shoots 4/8 and 3/4 scores 11 points on 10 possessions (assuming no and-1s).

By your preferred metric, points per shot, the player who shoots 0/3 from the floor and 4/10 from the line is better than the player who shoots 4/8 from the floor and 3/4 from the line. Simple enough?

I thought that missed shots were still counted as fga even if they were fouled on the play. Is that not the case?

 

[GVC]

I thought that missed shots were still counted as fga even if they were fouled on the play. Is that not the case?

No, it's not.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Favors does not have a good offensive game. Truth is he many never developed that part of his game - might be a Tyson Chandler type guy. Al is not a long term answer but this team is better offensively with him playing. That is obvious to anyone that is not blindly hating Al. We are probably at 26-28 wins right now without Al.

are you SERIOUS
we would have won more road games without al.

 

[b_line]

are you SERIOUS
we would have won more road games without al.

seriously. taking al away is addition by subtraction. the team will be soooo much better off without him.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I thought that missed shots were still counted as fga even if they were fouled on the play. Is that not the case?

No, it's not.

GVC is correct. If fouled it does not count as an attempt.

 

[DutchJazzer]

good news al scored 22 points.
bad bews he took 21 shots to get there

 

[salo]

a lot of weirdo data and stats floating around in here. people need to put away their calculators and just watch the damn game. saying favors is better than al offensively is insane.

i wouldn't say he has a terrible offensive game. it's improved a lot this year. he really needs to reduce his turnovers from charges and traveling on that first step but he has some nice touch close to the hoop and with his athleticism he should be able to figure out his footwork.

hopefully he keeps working hard each off-season, finds some more go-to moves and becomes a legitimate scoring option, not just a banger who gets to the line.

 

[DutchJazzer]

a lot of weirdo data and stats floating around in here. people need to put away their calculators and just watch the damn game. saying favors is better than al offensively is insane.

i wouldn't say he has a terrible offensive game. it's improved a lot this year. he really needs to reduce his turnovers from charges and traveling on that first step but he has some nice touch close to the hoop and with his athleticism he should be able to figure out his footwork.

hopefully he keeps working hard each off-season, finds some more go-to moves and becomes a legitimate scoring option, not just a banger who gets to the line.

watching the game. jaz zoffense as a team SUCKS with al on the floor
with favors jazz have a bette rteam offense.

this is a TEAM GAME.
it's not tennis or one on one baskebtall.

if the team offense sucks with al jefferson and not with favors

guess what

FAVORS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fat al

 

[DutchJazzer]

whoops double post

 

[jazzrule]

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Did you mean to say yes?

 

[orangello]

Did you mean to say yes?

Yes.