Did We Give Up on Kanter and Hood Too Soon

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  1. cowhide

    cowhide Well-Known Member

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    The Jazz did not give up on Kanter, he wanted out. OKC traded him, the Knicks waived him so the Jazz were not the only people seeing flaws in his game. However, I will give Kanter Kudos for playing well since going to Portland and playing hurt.

    As far as Hood goes, he failed being the guy. He has really struggled since leaving the Jazz. I am happy for him because I think Rodney is a good guy but he is too inconsistent. He also seemed to pout a little once he realized he wasn't going to get paid like he wanted to get paid.
     
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  2. Sandman822

    Sandman822 Well-Known Member

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    Obviously with all of his injuries it's hard to say exactly what he can do, but he's pretty clearly shown in flashes that he's an elite 1 v 1 perimeter defender and he's also capable of running a point and getting to the rim with zero resemblance of a pull up game or consistent outside shot. He has some elite NBA tools but Jazzfanz don't care because he's hurt 80% of the time and we only get to see these flashes in like 3% of the remaining 20% while the rest of it is Exum playing like ****, being put in Quin's doghouse, etc. By the time he hits the 3% he looks sensational, then gets hurt for the rest of the season again.

    I honestly don't blame Exum haters for the injury frustration, I'm frustrated too as a Exum stan and the injuries have completely undervalued him as a player/prospect. But pretending like he's completely useless and hasn't shown anything is just stupid, he was a big factor in a number of those December wins against teams like Portland for example and in a lot of games the Jazz have lost against elite NBA teams it's painfully obvious that having a healthy and in form Exum off the bench would have been a fantastic weapon off the bench to have against these elite teams in the West between his ability to easily get to the rim to allieviate some shot creation pressure off of Mitchell, and his ability to take the tough perimeter assignment on the other end. The eternal question with him will be can he stay healthy or not.
     
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  3. Thee jazz fan

    Thee jazz fan Well-Known Member

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    And yet there is no better locker room in the league, or brotherhood in the nba. Just look at the players that left because they were disgruntled. Kanter Hood Burks Lyles. Each left because they were not as good as they thought they were or just soft bitches. I call it Quin weeding out the trash, which he did. There are far more players that enjoyed playing for Quin, fact is you can’t make everyone happy
    Jae came into this year in the best shape of his life, what are you talking about.
    Lol. Not sure what to say about this. Lol
    Didn’t he separate his shoulder while with the jazz and miss the final 20-30 games or whatever it was?
    Proud of you! First step is admitting you have a problem
    Last year the players preformed very well, just not their year this year.
    Maybe you don’t like the players we got for them, but you can’t say we got nothing. Rubio was fantastic the last half of last year, and Crowder I thought had a good year this year. Both have their flaws, but so did Kanter and Hood.
     
  4. NUMBERICA

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    Then spell his name right.
     
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  5. NUMBERICA

    NUMBERICA Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely not. Both should’ve been traded earlier and/or for more.

    They’re fine players. Kanter didn’t want to be here and didn’t want to work, Hood became a low-key cancer and regressed over time.
     
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  6. //r00t 4 Jazz

    //r00t 4 Jazz Well-Known Member

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    As others have mention each players situation was a bit different.

    Kanter was unhappy with his role and seemingly with the team and that only got worse once Gobert started getting minutes and it was clear he was and is the better player and so he wanted out, which seeing as he was up for his first big contract is understandable just went about it immaturely. That aside the way the roster and team is built the only minutes he'd get is Udoh's cause he isn't and wouldn't be playing over Gobert or Favors.

    Hood as stated thought this would be his team as he was scheduled to take over for Hayward and it was stated in the local media that something changed with him over the summer with his "camp". Speculating that with his contract extension and bigger role people in his ear were telling him some bad advice sorta Hill.

    Unlike some people here I always and still do like Hood and think if he's been humbled he'd be a good 6th man type role player getting about 23-28min a night, who could start when injuries role through and I would welcome him back.
     
  7. firegirl

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    Quin is perfection. He has no faults.

    Pops is a complete dick, and rips his players apart. But, players love him. I love him.

    Quin is cut from the Sloan mold. He doesn't care about your feelings. You play hard or ride the bench like a sybian.


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  8. firegirl

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    The GM is back. **** yes.


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  9. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    Didn’t read any of this but this isn’t a fair question... these guys gave up on us... I think Rod Hood could come home this summer if things broke right. He needed to know his best role on a winning team is 6th man... if he had bought in I think he’d still be here. Good guy and I will always root for him. Honestly I’m rooting for Kanter too... strong guy and I feel just awful for him. He was so young and immature here... I’m not sure he’s figured out who he is but he seemed like he was really struggling here. I’m happy for them both.
     
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  10. //r00t 4 Jazz

    //r00t 4 Jazz Well-Known Member

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    As proof that Hood is still liked, despite some peoples posts in here, Jazz players were tweeting Hood after his game 3 performance and Mitchell specifically went out of his way and to point out that he was one of the most helpful players in his rookie year when he didn't have to since they were competing for minutes.

    To me that points to mostly the reason being contract dollar amount and then his place on the team being the #1 option, which he was to start but Mitchell quickly took that role from him. As others have said now that he's had a season and half away from the Jazz maybe he's still willing to consider Utah this summer.

    Also Mission Accomplished never lets facts get in the way of his narrative of the Jazz FO has all teh sucks, all of them.
     
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  11. outerspacefan

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    I would have said that, at some point, they gave up on Utah.
     
  12. Stars Fan

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    Yeah! it is spelled MANsap!
     
  13. Stars Fan

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    I'd like to see Kanter's reception in SLC soften a bit. He may have said some unkind things when he left, but he does not deserve the boos raining down forever. Anyone who is willing to stand up to authoritarians like Erdogan deserves some credit. He is playing hard, and I respect that. Hood I would welcome back in the role he is in now for the Blazers...no questions asked.
     
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  14. jom2003

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    No. But we definitely held on to Neto and Exum for too long
     
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  15. Lakers_Slapper

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    I'll take a couple of one dimensional players and call them assets. There's a few teams in the 2nd round of the playoffs that we are all watching from home that are doing just that as part of the success within their roster. I think it's fair to say that the Jazz lost miserably to the Rockets because of our lack of dimensions. We tried to play one dimensional defense to stop Harden and failed. They didn't have to do anything to stop us. We stopped ourselves because we ran out of "dimensions."
    We got nothing for Kanter. Nothing. We brought him up and traded him for absolutely nothing. Instead of recovering some sort of asset for him, we got nothing for him!
    Well, ok, you could call a couple of nobodies, somethings, but we never valued our somethings, so yes it was nothing. We traded him for Kendrick Perkins (who we cut and intended to cut immediately), the rights to draft Tibor Pleiss, rights to Grant Jerrett as well as a future 1st round pick from OKC and a 2nd round pick from the Pistons. (A common pattern with the Jazz, just see the past and you will have a good idea of the Jazz tendencies of the future.) Just so everyone is aware. There are 29 other teams in the NBA and drafting a talented guy and just letting him walk is something that no team tries to do, nor makes a name for their team while doing it. It happens rarely, except for the Jazz. It is something of the norm with us. Generally that player is traded and the team recovers an asset of some kind for his talent that is valued by that team. (See Gordon Hayward who showed signs of signing with the Celtics for several months before the trade deadline in which we did nothing about it but cross our fingers)
    If you would like to state that we thought our assets for Kanter were going to be more than what they were, everyone knew exactly what we were getting for him, Nothing!
    So what happened to one of our draft pics for Kanter? A pick was traded to acquire Rubio (The most one dimensional player on the planet). We all know what we are left with there. And of course our 2nd round picks equated into nothing, Because our staff doesn't value 2nd round picks. As for Hood, His trade could've been sweeter than it was. We traded him for Crowder and for Rose. We cut Rose immediately and he went on to the T-wolves and did very well with a few injuries as were expected. Happy to have Crowder, but essentially, we helped to pad Cleveland in their 3 team trade in attempt to help them survive post LeBron. We are protecting our Salary boundaries so much that we can't even make it past the first round of the post season because of our lack competency. We need to take risks, calculated risks, or any risks. Something to stay relevant. I don't think we are the team that can sit back and call players one dimensional.
     
  16. idestroyedthetoilet

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    Kanter such a baby:

     
  17. MVP

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    Why? Pointing to Jokic being dirty and intentionally hitting his injured shoulder? That is a dirty as it gets.
     
  18. SoUjazzfan

    SoUjazzfan Well-Known Member

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    Boxing out for a rebound is dirty? Damn, how soft is this league getting. If he's worried about his left shoulder get on the other side of the basket on free throws. Rudy gets hit harder on every single rebound.
     
  19. idestroyedthetoilet

    idestroyedthetoilet Well-Known Member

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    You're right, he should have boxed him out with some clever mind tricks.
     
  20. MVP

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    this is not boxing out by any rules of the game. It is intentional elbowing. Should be at least flagrant 1.
     
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