Dion Waiters skips anthem citing religious reasons

[NUMBERICA]

1. Being Muslim has nothing to do with sitting out the national anthem for religious reasons.
2. There's nothing necessarily wrong with not observing the national anthem/pledge of allegiance.

If Waiters could make a decision, explain it, and stand behind it, one way or another then I wouldn't go ahead and call him a ****ing chucker dumb ***.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The league would be ****ing dorks if they address this at all.

 

[♪alt13]

Mother****ers can do what they want, ain't need no reason neither

He plays in the NBA. The NBA has a rule that says that the players will stand for the National Anthem. He does need a reason.

That being said he doesn't need to answer to the media. He only needs to answer to his boss that he has signed a contract with.

 

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He plays in the NBA. The NBA has a rule that says that the players will stand for the National Anthem. He does need a reason.

That being said he doesn't need to answer to the media. He only needs to answer to his boss that he has signed a contract with.

True

Dem rules, dem rules

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I am an atheist but I proudly sing "God keep our land, glorious and free" during our National Anthem. Never ever crossed my mind to skip those words even if I do not believe in it whatsoever.

Likewise, although I'm a non-believer, I have no problem with references to God etc. in Pledge etc. It doesn't cross the line to become an unreasonable imposition of religion, in my opinion.

If Waiters doesn't want to participate in the National Anthem, I couldn't care less. I'm not into imposing ritualized displays of patriotism on others. Frankly, I wish they'd stop playing the National Anthem for every damn sporting event. It's unnecessary, and, in my opinion, cheapens the Anthem by making it routine, leading to unthinking, rote compliance. I also resent (slightly but not enough to really care that much about it) the constant public pressure to be and/or act patriotic. I love my country, but don't feel the need to constantly make public displays of it. Patriotism takes many forms, and constant public genuflecting to the flag and singing the country's praises is not the form I'd choose for myself.

But for heaven's sake, if anyone dares to question the need for constant public displays of patriotism, heaven help them from the wrath of the hyper patriotic who demand that everyone is as patriotic as them and as willing to make showy public displays of it.

 

[Jamezz]

I am an atheist but I proudly sing "God keep our land, glorious and free" during our National Anthem. Never ever crossed my mind to skip those words even if I do not believe in it whatsoever.

That's awesome but when are you gonna get rid of your comment about Exum being a bust, hurts my soul dude

 

[One Brow]

Don't atheists/scientists/freethinkers whine the loudest when they have to say "under god" in the pledge of allegiance? Do people really care if a pastafarian puts a spaghetti strainer on their head? When a Muslim doesn't do pledge of allegiance? When an atheist doesn't say under god? I am more of a live and let live kind of guy.

That's quite a diverse group of people you're lumping together. There are people who are all three, but you can can any without being the other two. And no, for the most part they don't whine nearly as loudly as Christians do when they are not allowed to force people to pray with them.

Oddly enough, yes, some people care when a pastafarian dons a colander for driver's license photo, anyone doesn't stand for the pledge, when atheists don't say "under God", or when an artist puts Jesus in urine or draws a cartoon with Mohammed.

 

[candrew]

So is he gonna get punished too?

Watiers' excuse is dumb but to me he has every right to skip it as long as he is not disrespectful towards it. But if the league punishes him, they are even dumber.

If I remember correctly the compromise with Abdul-Rauf would be he would stand and pray during the National Anthem - of course the second his NBA skills began to diminish he was jettisoned from the league for good.

 

[Nightmare]

That's quite a diverse group of people you're lumping together. There are people who are all three, but you can can any without being the other two. And no, for the most part they don't whine nearly as loudly as Christians do when they are not allowed to force people to pray with them.

Oddly enough, yes, some people care when a pastafarian dons a colander for driver's license photo, anyone doesn't stand for the pledge, when atheists don't say "under God", or when an artist puts Jesus in urine or draws a cartoon with Mohammed.

I have no problem with Dion Waiters not pledging allegiance as well as everything you listed on that second paragraph. Some people are hypocritical however. Like they don't think Dion Waiters should be able to skip pledge allegiance because he is Muslim but turn around and get mad that they are forced to do something they don't like that they think goes against their particular version of their atheistic worldview.

 

[Gameface]

I have no problem with Dion Waiters not pledging allegiance as well as everything you listed on that second paragraph. Some people are hypocritical however. Like they don't think Dion Waiters should be able to skip pledge allegiance because he is Muslim but turn around and get mad that they are forced to do something they don't like that they think goes against their particular version of their atheistic worldview.

People get mad when they are forced to do something they don't agree with? The hell you say!

 

[Nightmare]

People get mad when they are forced to do something they don't agree with? The hell you say!

Yet people don't get mad when others are forced to do something they don't agree with. The opposite, they get mad that they don't get forced to do it. Just like Siro calling Dion a coward.

 

[VINYLONE]

Don't atheists/scientists/freethinkers whine the loudest when they have to say "under god" in the pledge of allegiance? Do people really care if a pastafarian puts a spaghetti strainer on their head? When a Muslim doesn't do pledge of allegiance? When an atheist doesn't say under god? I am more of a live and let live kind of guy.

We do? You might want to use some qualifiers there.

 

[Nightmare]

We do? You might want to use some qualifiers there.

I never said all atheists/rationalists/skeptics/scientists/geniuses (they all the same thing amirite?). There many atheist websites that encourage people to scratch out the "in god we trust" on currency. Some Muslims do stupid things because of their religion. Some atheists do stupid things because of their lack of religion.

 

[VINYLONE]

I never said all atheists/rationalists/skeptics/scientists/geniuses (they all the same thing amirite?). There many atheist websites that encourage people to scratch out the "in god we trust" on currency. Some Muslims do stupid things because of their religion. Some atheists do stupid things because of their lack of religion.

No, you didn't say all but you didn't say "some" either. Just making sure where you stand.

 

[CAKAR]

I am an atheist but I proudly sing "God keep our land, glorious and free" during our National Anthem. Never ever crossed my mind to skip those words even if I do not believe in it whatsoever.

I thought you was russian who hates america ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHNcAZYPY_E

I expected you singing more about this....

 

[One Brow]

Like they don't think Dion Waiters should be able to skip pledge allegiance because he is Muslim but turn around and get mad that they are forced to do something they don't like that they think goes against their particular version of their atheistic worldview.

Can you name one of these people?

 

[One Brow]

I never said all atheists/rationalists/skeptics/scientists/geniuses (they all the same thing amirite?). There many atheist websites that encourage people to scratch out the "in god we trust" on currency. Some Muslims do stupid things because of their religion. Some atheists do stupid things because of their lack of religion.

There's nothing particularly stupid about taking "In God We Trust" off of the currency. I don't care, but if others do, I understand why.

A lack of religion is no more a cause to do things than a lack of a political position is.

 

[One Brow]

Yet people don't get mad when others are forced to do something they don't agree with. The opposite, they get mad that they don't get forced to do it. Just like Siro calling Dion a coward.

Siro called him a coward because he said that Waiters claim of religion cause was a false claim, and the Waiters was using this claim to disguise the real reason. He never said Waiters should be forced to stand for the pledge.

 

[Nightmare]

Can you name one of these people?

Here is a video of Christians doing what they law allows them to do and protest. However, they get physically attacked by men of superior intelligence (aka atheists) at the crowd.

https://mynorthwest.com/11/2307990/Witness-catches-brawl-at-Seattles-Pridefest-on-video

EDIT: can't link video there is swearing, instead there is an article here that links to video.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Norwegian_black_metal_scene#Church_arsons_and_attempted_arsons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union

Here is a video talking about how every atheist with a couple of bucks in their pocket should deface money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmdQr2mWCnw

If these people weren't atheist you really thing they would have done the things they did? Whenever an atheist does something bad it isn't because of his lack of religion. Whenever a Christian or Muslim does something bad it is always because of their religion or at least a large percent of time. When Siro is condemning what Dion did he isn't necessarily condemning all Muslims. Just like when I link these links I am not condemning all atheists/scholars/scientists/skeptic/rationalist/genius, just the ones doing the actions.

 

[MVP]

I thought you was russian who hates america ?

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Dude I am not Russian and I live in Canada.