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Disregard Mirotic, Aquire Favors!

Regarding tradig away our first at the deadline for Mirotic, let's remember the context a couple of months ago:
  • Making the playoffs wasn't a sure thing at the time, thus our pick could have been anywhere between 10-20. Almost no one expected us to be this good.
  • The Jazz has one of the best scouting in the league. They invest a lot of money on international scouting, and also locally. Consider how hard is to trade away picks in consecutive years. They did it last year bc they were in win-now mode (also were not impressed by the players available at 12th). Much harder to pull the triger when you don't know where the pick is going to land and when you are not certain about the direction of the team.
  • We were winning some games and it seems DL decided to go for smaller moves to improve team chemistry/fit. He wasn't ready to hit a home-run. With all the information we have know, it's clear we are closer to contention than we thought. Maybe one player away. If that player becomes available, DL will be more likely to move a pick+players. I'm looking forward for how we perform this playoffs and then this off-season. our window is not in 2 years but now
 
As Cy said, Niko's play was poor in February and March. You just don't dismiss 25 games and pretend they never happened. No one would have predicted the Jazz went on a tear resulting in the pick going from 12 (at the time) down to pick 21. DL's decision to pass on him at the time was solid.
 
Jazz4ever said:
As Cy said, Niko's play was poor in February and March. You just don't dismiss 25 games and pretend they never happened. No one would have predicted the Jazz went on a tear resulting in the pick going from 12 (at the time) down to pick 21. DL's decision to pass on him at the time was solid.
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Ya the jazz were playing great but they wouldn’t have had to give up anyone in the rotation to get niko so why wouldn’t they continue to play great by adding him?
 
When you can get a really good player who is a perfect fit on the team basically for free I think you should always do it. Just my opinion.
 
I don't see why NOLA would trade Mirotic now. That ship has sailed. Their financial "issues" don't exist to the level some are saying.

Burks and #21 seems great now, but seemed awful risky in February. I'm happy where we are. If Favors stays at an affordable number, good. If he leaves, so be it.

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LoPo said:
I don't see why NOLA would trade Mirotic now. That ship has sailed. Their financial "issues" don't exist to the level some are saying.

Burks and #21 seems great now, but seemed awful risky in February. I'm happy where we are. If Favors stays at an affordable number, good. If he leaves, so be it.

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Never seemed risky to me. Everyone wants burks gone it seems and a non lottery pick typically wont end up as good as niko who also happens to be a perfect fit and reportedly wanted to play for the jazz.
imo it was a no brainer. I think the jazz just got greedy and made a mistake.
 
fishonjazz said:
Never seemed risky to me. Everyone wants burks gone it seems and a non lottery pick typically wont end up as good as niko who also happens to be a perfect fit and reportedly wanted to play for the jazz.
imo it was a no brainer. I think the jazz just got greedy and made a mistake.
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Is it a known thing that we could have acquired Miritek for Burks and our first? That would have been a pretty good deal for the Jazz, especially now that our first is worth a lot less than everyone thought it was going to be. I didn't follow this trade closely enough to know whether it failed because the Jazz didn't pull the trigger, or because they kept shopping him and NO came in with a better offer. What did NO give up?
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Is it a known thing that we could have acquired Miritek for Burks and our first? That would have been a pretty good deal for the Jazz, especially now that our first is worth a lot less than everyone thought it was going to be. I didn't follow this trade closely enough to know whether it failed because the Jazz didn't pull the trigger, or because they kept shopping him and NO came in with a better offer. What did NO give up?
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Yes. Reports from both sides said we dangled both Favors (expiring) and Burks (one more year) but they were holding out for a first rounder. It was widely known around the entire league that he was available for a first rounder. They ended up taking back some really bad salary to get that pick.

The problem was that the league saw what Donovan and Kuzma did as mid-to-late first rounders and everyone got penis-brain about first rounders. Also, anyone looking at it would have known Rudy was coming back and there was no tank. Had we offered up a protected pick, that should have nabbed him, too, before Cousins went down.

DL addressed deadline issues around the deadline on The Big Show. He beat around the bush on the specifics, but indicated he doesn’t know if not moving that pick was or wasn’t the right decision, and that time would tell.

The problem is that we try to make these decisions look clear and black and white and do not acknowledge uncertainty in many decisions. There are probably a lot of things DL is certain about, but there are plenty that we’re not. They’ve admitted to uncertainty with how the roster was constructed but it happened to pay off.

My take (my opinion only) is that DL wanted Mirotic but, surveying the landscape, didn’t think Chicago had other options and thought he could have his cake and eat it by waiting it out and picking him up with second rounders. The narrative kept getting pushed out there that there’s “no way” the Jazz will trade their pick for him. Now whether they would have or not, they made that statement public (gambling, I presume, on the fact that nobody would give up a first). Even if DL would have hypothetically given up the pick, the corner we were in made that impossible.

My bottom line on this: DL wanted Mirotic but also wanted to get him while also keeping our pick. Did DL want him enough to obtain him when he was easily obtainable? The answer to that is clearly no. Would he have done it differently in hindsight? I have no idea.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Is it a known thing that we could have acquired Miritek for Burks and our first?
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Yes.
We didn't think we needed to give up the first rounder. Thought we could get him for less. We were greedy.
At least that seems to be the narrative. And most fans didn't want to give a first either. I think that infection and myself were about the only ones who wanted the jazz to pull the trigger. (might have been a few others)
 
infection said:
Yes. Reports from both sides said we dangled both Favors (expiring) and Burks (one more year) but they were holding out for a first rounder. It was widely known around the entire league that he was available for a first rounder. They ended up taking back some really bad salary to get that pick.

The problem was that the league saw what Donovan and Kuzma did as mid-to-late first rounders and everyone got penis-brain about first rounders. Also, anyone looking at it would have known Rudy was coming back and there was no tank. Had we offered up a protected pick, that should have nabbed him, too, before Cousins went down.

DL addressed deadline issues around the deadline on The Big Show. He beat around the bush on the specifics, but indicated he doesn’t know if not moving that pick was or wasn’t the right decision, and that time would tell.

The problem is that we try to make these decisions look clear and black and white and do not acknowledge uncertainty in many decisions. There are probably a lot of things DL is certain about, but there are plenty that we’re not. They’ve admitted to uncertainty with how the roster was constructed but it happened to pay off.

My take (my opinion only) is that DL wanted Mirotic but, surveying the landscape, didn’t think Chicago had other options and thought he could have his cake and eat it by waiting it out and picking him up with second rounders. The narrative kept getting pushed out there that there’s “no way” the Jazz will trade their pick for him. Now whether they would have or not, they made that statement public (gambling, I presume, on the fact that nobody would give up a first). Even if DL would have hypothetically given up the pick, the corner we were in made that impossible.

My bottom line on this: DL wanted Mirotic but also wanted to get him while also keeping our pick. Did DL want him enough to obtain him when he was easily obtainable? The answer to that is clearly no. Would he have done it differently in hindsight? I have no idea.
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DL got greedy with this one.
 
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