Divide the Assets of the Cavs Deal... What Could You Get?

[Handlogten's Heros]

I get the all in attitude of trying to get Number 1. I also am frustrated as I don't see the ceiling of our existing team being all that high. The deal for number 1 is a bit much though. If we divided up the assets and traded them separately for picks what could we get?

Would Burks, the #23, and our unguaranteed contracts be enough to get #8 from Sacramento.

Could Favors get us expirings and #6 or #7... Could Favors and Burks get us #4.

I think we could hit the reset button and I would be fine with it. I don't think the Cleveland deal is the best use of our assets. That being said if we get Wiggins I'll be the first to post that he's the next Lebron.

 

[Mongoose]

I'm wondering about other scenarios as well.... If Embiid falls to the Jazz at 5 can they trade him to a team further down and acquire someone like Gordon and other assets?

 

[NUMBERICA]

The idea about going all in is that Wiggins (or Parker) are a tier above everyone else and in basketball, you need players like that. I'm not sure what the purpose of gutting the team for more lower-tier prospects would be for, except maybe tanking next year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm wondering about other scenarios as well.... If Embiid falls to the Jazz at 5 can they trade him to a team further down and acquire someone like Gordon and other assets?

I think they could turn and send him to Boston with the #23 for #6 and #17. At #17 could get Saric, Payne, maybe Payton or LaVine. It would be a good jump for us.

 

[NUMBERICA]

If the Jazz could get #1 (or #2) and THEN wanted to acquire another top-10 pick, then I'd be listening.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The idea about going all in is that Wiggins (or Parker) are a tier above everyone else and in basketball, you need players like that. I'm not sure what the purpose of gutting the team for more lower-tier prospects would be for, except maybe tanking next year.

I heard someone saying maybe Lindsey isn't thrilled with our current pieces, which might make sense, so he's going to hit the reset button a bit and go all in. I'm trying to see if we'd rather trade those parts for something else that could become higher-tiered talent than we currently have on the roster. We'd end up worse next year which could also help us get the "guy". Not sure what next year's draft is like.

Also, if you can take advantage of teams trying to take shortcuts it may boost our long-term future.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think in order to get the #1 that it is contingent on Embiid being there... If he's there you take him and have a deal or two already in place.

 

[Mongoose]

I think they could turn and send him to Boston with the #23 for #6 and #17. At #17 could get Saric, Payne, maybe Payton or LaVine. It would be a good jump for us.

Maybe the Jazz could get Olynyk and 6 from them for Embiid and 23, or if the jazz take on the salary of Green or Wallace?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Wouldn't touch the salary, but Olynyk is okay... I'd rather move up though. There is a ton of value in the late teens. I think Payne is every bit the shooter Olynyk is except he's also athletic and will be less of a defensive liability. Also the guy played with Mono all year last year. If we could get him I think he'd be a great fit next to Favs.

 

[Stoked]

If the Jazz could get #1 (or #2) and THEN wanted to acquire another top-10 pick, then I'd be listening.

I think that they have the assets to do so. Maybe the GSW unprotected first and the #23? Throw in the GSW and Den 2nd rounders maybe? Rights to Tomic or Neto?

 

[Mongoose]

How about Embiid and burks for Rondo and Gordon?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Good value to get Rondo, but he'd be gone in a year. I don't think we are ready for a "win-now" type of trade. I also want to see more of Rondo without the other all-stars around him.

 

[Stifle Tower]

The idea about going all in is that Wiggins (or Parker) are a tier above everyone else and in basketball, you need players like that. I'm not sure what the purpose of gutting the team for more lower-tier prospects would be for, except maybe tanking next year.

Yes, agree.
While these guys are probably not Lebron and Kobe, the view is that Wiggins is Durant and Parker is Melo. They are definitely seen as a tier above the rest, as was Embiid. I agree with Numberica on this one. If you give up players like Burks and Favors, you do it for a franchise player, not just more prospects who have about as much upside as the players you're giving up.

Handlogten has a good point. If the Jazz were to draft Embiid, maybe they could flip him to Boston. But it's risky. If the Celts were content with Gordon, Randle, Smart, etc., then the Jazz are "stuck" with Embiid. And I don't think they want to take that chance on a player who may/may not recover. And if he does, may/may not have chronic back issues or may/may not develop his game. Just too many HUGE risks.

 

[♪alt13]

I don't want to trade Favors and Burks for Wiggins or Parker but if we could get Olynyk and saric I'm in.

R U Guys ****in Srs?!

 

[UGLI baby]

We want to consolidate our assets, not divide them even further.

4 quarters do not equal one dollar in the NBA.

You can only have 5 players on the court at a time.


£¥£

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't want to trade Favors and Burks for Wiggins or Parker but if we could get Olynyk and saric I'm in.

R U Guys ****in Srs?!

That's not really the choice boss. Would you rather have Favors, Burks, Gordon/Vonleh, and #23 or Gordon/Vonleh and whatever your other assets could get you. Look I get that we need a superstar, but Wiggins comp is not Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant was an ice cold killer in college... his closer comp is Paul George (which is not bad), but what if he doesn't reach that comp. Parker scares me a bit... he may be more Glen Robinson than Carmelo Anthony.

I would trade for #1 if it means Favors plus #5, but i think there is a real chance that Burks is a better scorer than Parker is. Wiggins... who knows. He could end up being T-Mac on offense or he could become a rich man's Tony Allen. I understand we have to overpay to move up, but I don't think we should get robbed just for the opportunity at a superstar. We might have more opportunity at a superstar by getting multiple top ten picks.

Also, Saric is no joke. Look at his numbers in a man's league. He's also a bit of an a** kicker. If his dad wasn't so involved he might have been our guy at #5. Get him at #17 or #23 and it is a tremendous value.

 

[str8line]

Yes, agree.
While these guys are probably not Lebron and Kobe, the view is that Wiggins is Durant and Parker is Melo. They are definitely seen as a tier above the rest, as was Embiid. I agree with Numberica on this one. If you give up players like Burks and Favors, you do it for a franchise player, not just more prospects who have about as much upside as the players you're giving up.

Handlogten has a good point. If the Jazz were to draft Embiid, maybe they could flip him to Boston. But it's risky. If the Celts were content with Gordon, Randle, Smart, etc., then the Jazz are "stuck" with Embiid. And I don't think they want to take that chance on a player who may/may not recover. And if he does, may/may not have chronic back issues or may/may not develop his game. Just too many HUGE risks.

Does Embiid have the biggest upside of any player in years? Take away the risks...what do you think?

 

[cowhide]

I think in order to get the #1 that it is contingent on Embiid being there... If he's there you take him and have a deal or two already in place.

Before the injury I would say yes not so much now. I would only do the deal to get Wiggins and it can't both be Burk and Favors. Give them a second first round pick but not two first Burk and Favors.

 

[cowhide]

Does Embiid have the biggest upside of any player in years? Take away the risks...what do you think?

You can't just ignore the injury and throw magic dust on it expecting him to be fine. I would say before the injury, Embiid had slightly more upside than everyone but very close to Wiggins. Heck if Gordon learns to shoot he might have has much upside. I think Embiid's health is more of a concern than Gordon improving his shooting.

 

[cowhide]

I would love it if Saric fell to 17. IF i were the Jazz instead of just giving away #23 I would try to move up and grab him. I know Chicago is trying to get rid of their picks maybe they can't so they will take a lower pick to save a little money.