DLeague Affiliate and Murph

[Sexual Favors]

Except it doesn't work that way. It's not a minor league team where all the players belong to the NBA team. Any players assigned still count against the 15-man roster. The remaining players on the D-League team, even if it is a single-team affiliate, have contracts with the D-League, not the parent team and can be signed by any NBA team during the season (like we did with Garrett).

So yes, you could have a bunch of players with the Idaho Stampede learning the Jazz' system. But the Jazz would only retain the rights to two of them - and only if they were on the 15-man roster and had been sent down. The rest could leave if/when another NBA wanted them on their roster. On the other hand, you would have kind of an advanced summer league where FA's are learning the offense/defense and would get a 10-day contract if something happened with the Jazz (injury, trade, etc.).

Still a huge plus to have one with your system. I've heard that the onene affiliates can practice with their parent teams (or is that just the three they have rights to?). Either way, you have 15 more players you are potentially interested in learning your system, and you have the edge data-wise on all of them. You will probably see what is to be seen in them before another team could offer them the 10 day and steal them away. It's a lot better to pick from your own garden, than the over-trodden community one.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Still a huge plus to have one with your system. I've heard that the onene affiliates can practice with their parent teams (or is that just the three they have rights to?). Either way, you have 15 more players you are potentially interested in learning your system, and you have the edge data-wise on all of them. You will probably see what is to be seen in them before another team could offer them the 10 day and steal them away. It's a lot better to pick from your own garden, than the over-trodden community one.

Completely agree. And you pick your D-League coach so he's a "system guy" who is readily promoted if the parent team loses an assistant to a HC job elsewhere. Didn't know that about practices. Having the Stampede is a reason why I think the Jazz will supposedly bring in even more players than last year for workouts. A few undrafted players may get training camp invites, and a handful more will be on the Jazz' radar for the D-League roster. Technically, most of these players will have contracts owned by the league, but as you mentioned, they'll be playing in the Jazz' system and can be plucked if necessary.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Hell, I just hope that they put the bottom two young guys down there at all times and really get those kids some playing time. I'd have loved to see what Clark and Murphy could have done with some real minutes - even at the D-League level. If you're going to invest in a single-team affiliation, you should let the young guys get some real playing time and maybe develop.

 

[homeytennis]

Hell, I just hope that they put the bottom two young guys down there at all times and really get those kids some playing time. I'd have loved to see what Clark and Murphy could have done with some real minutes - even at the D-League level. If you're going to invest in a single-team affiliation, you should let the young guys get some real playing time and maybe develop.

I could see this affecting who the Jazz bring to training camp as undrafted free agents. This last year it seemed like there were quite a few veterans signed to non guaranteed contracts in camp. This year I could see younger players invited to training camp with the eye of having them play in Boise.

 

[Deleted member 848]

The problem with Murph was that he was always looking for 'his'. Whenever he touched the ball, you damn knew that he would be hulking it up there in no time. He didn't play within his role, couldn't defend, and his nerves probably weakened his finishing skills.


If I knew that he could play good team offense, I honestly wouldn't have that big of a problem with him. But I doubt that.

 

[Sexual Favors]

The problem with Murph was that he was always looking for 'his'. Whenever he touched the ball, you damn knew that he would be hulking it up there in no time. He didn't play within his role, couldn't defend, and his nerves probably weakened his finishing skills.


If I knew that he could play good team offense, I honestly wouldn't have that big of a problem with him. But I doubt that.

And you know all of this definitively from the 52 minutes of garbage time he played for us?


I've seen some baseless comments on this board, but I think this takes the cake.

None of us fans know who he was, or what he could become. He looks efficient in the Dleague now, and can obviously shoot, which can't be said about any of our other guards. You really wouldn't be interested in giving him a chance to be a specialist shooter for us, if nothing else? His measurements and release are much better than Ian Clark's.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Hell, I just hope that they put the bottom two young guys down there at all times and really get those kids some playing time. I'd have loved to see what Clark and Murphy could have done with some real minutes - even at the D-League level. If you're going to invest in a single-team affiliation, you should let the young guys get some real playing time and maybe develop.

Agree. If they're not contributing on a regular basis, let them get PT in the D-League. You could also rotate 3-4 young players between the Jazz and Stampede.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Agree. If they're not contributing on a regular basis, let them get PT in the D-League. You could also rotate 3-4 young players between the Jazz and Stampede.

I like this idea, since there such a talent difference between the two leagues. Everyone would get their burn, and yet you'd be able to discern who is most NBA ready, and who needs more experience at the farm.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I like this idea, since there such a talent difference between the two leagues. Everyone would get their burn, and yet you'd be able to discern who is most NBA ready, and who needs more experience at the farm.

It's not that, exactly. You have to figure the guys rotating to the D-League would be the 11th-15th players on the roster. So they'll either be inactive or likely get "DNP-CD's" for the Jazz games. If it's true that players develop more in practice with an NBA team and by watching from the stands, then by all means keep them in Salt Lake. But if they could benefit more by getting 30 mins in Idaho, then send them down (well, in this case, "up') to Idaho.

 

[Deleted member 848]

And you know all of this definitively from the 52 minutes of garbage time he played for us?

Umm yes. Because the points I highlighted were observations. So yes, they were definitive.

I've seen some baseless comments on this board, but I think this takes the cake.

Okay..

None of us fans know who he was, or what he could become. He looks efficient in the Dleague now, and can obviously shoot, which can't be said about any of our other guards. You really wouldn't be interested in giving him a chance to be a specialist shooter for us, if nothing else? His measurements and release are much better than Ian Clark's.

I think you misinterpreted my post. Please re-read it. I never mentioned anything about refusing to give a chance to him. You're wrong in that we didn't know what he was. The 52 minutes that he played with the Jazz were pretty characteristic of what i mentioned earlier. No one knows what he could become, obviously.

 

[silesian]

Basketball mentality

The problem with Murph was that he was always looking for 'his'. Whenever he touched the ball, you damn knew that he would be hulking it up there in no time. He didn't play within his role, couldn't defend, and his nerves probably weakened his finishing skills.


If I knew that he could play good team offense, I honestly wouldn't have that big of a problem with him. But I doubt that.

He needs to get "religion" in the way that Demarre Carrol did. One of DC's mentors told him to leave it all out on the floor every night, accept whatever role you are given and excel at that role. It was a huge transformation for him. Many guys get so obsessed with being "the man" that they wind up on the NBA cutting room floor instead of pulling down a few million for 5+ years.

Get 5 minutes of clean-up time? Make 30 hustle plays. Be asked to be a facilitator and not a shooter? Get the ball to your scorer in the place and time he is most likely to score. Take on the challenge to become a top defender. Stay in top condition and ready all the time.

I miss DC.

PS: I know Demarre and Murph do not have similar games, the post is more about the right basketball mentality to succeed.

 

[homeytennis]

He needs to get "religion" in the way that Demarre Carrol did. One of DC's mentors told him to leave it all out on the floor every night, accept whatever role you are given and excel at that role. It was a huge transformation for him. Many guys get so obsessed with being "the man" that they wind up on the NBA cutting room floor instead of pulling down a few million for 5+ years.

Get 5 minutes of clean-up time? Make 30 hustle plays. Be asked to be a facilitator and not a shooter? Get the ball to your scorer in the place and time he is most likely to score. Take on the challenge to become a top defender. Stay in top condition and ready all the time.

I miss DC.

PS: I know Demarre and Murph do not have similar games, the post is more about the right basketball mentality to succeed.

If they bring Murph to the Jazz he's going to have to learn defense, how to do the dirty work, set screens and dive on the floor for loose balls and if he's got his shot knock it down.