Do any of you drive hybrids? (prius, volt, leaf, etc)

[Agoxlea]

Under current conditions, cars will still be cheaper. Keep in mind, time is a cost as well. Driving is faster and more convenient and a higher tax will not change that, nor will it change behavior. Encouraging the use public transit is going to take much more than increased fixed costs like taxes. Just wait, the incremental cost of gas will deter more people from driving than anything. We've already seen that occur.

As for the income tax supplement. You'd bankrupt the state, that won't work.

I disagree it wouldn't bankrupt the state if it is an equal amount to the increase in gas tax, but I deleted my post for another reason. The gas tax would probably end up being pretty regressive, so I feel like also giving an income tax cut would compound that problem so I take that part back.

Think of if while gas was cheap we had been paying a tax for the past decade or two to pay for improved public transportation, so that now when gas is a lot more expensive we could get rid of the tax, but we would have other options because in a lot of places it is pretty impractical to take public transportation right now. It just isn't developed enough.

 

[DeliveryBoy]

Yes, you're right. People are toys for the government to manipulate into whatever behavior is currently preferred. In this instance it's driving hybrids, in another it might be shoving undesirable people into ovens. Whatever the government needs humans for it should manipulate them into doing.

...Do me a favor? Go smoke a little weed and relax. It will really take the edge off.

 

[TroutBum]

...Do me a favor? Go smoke a little weed and relax. It will really take the edge off.

Quoted for truth.

Also, I'd still like to know wtf The Internet Son was talking about -- Hybrids are destroying the planet? Huh?

 

[moevillini]

after we're done solving this problem, let's discuss the issue of compact florescent light bulbs. I think we can probably resolve that one as well.

 

[sirkickyass]

Quoted for truth.

Also, I'd still like to know wtf The Internet Son was talking about -- Hybrids are destroying the planet? Huh?

There is an argument to be made that hybrids extend the illusion that the resource is infinite which will do more damage in the long term. That's a valid perspective. However, I didn't want to comment on it until TIS had an opportunity to explain what he meant.

 

[Nate505]

I'd have one if I could afford it. If only to avoid going to the gas station. I hate fueling up my car. It's just a waste of time.

 

[Qman]

If they ever figure out the hydrogen fuel-cells properly you can solve the electric car's battery issues- cost, capacity and toxicity. An electric would be by far a superior vehicle.


Couple that with either natural gas power plants or nuclear power and we could cut our emissions by significant amount. Though I have to admit I am yet to see data to proves that we need to cut emissions.

 

[LogGrad98]

If they ever figure out the hydrogen fuel-cells properly you can solve the electric car's battery issues- cost, capacity and toxicity. An electric would be by far a superior vehicle.


Couple that with either natural gas power plants or nuclear power and we could cut our emissions by significant amount. Though I have to admit I am yet to see data to proves that we need to cut emissions.

This. +8

 

[Beantown]

Not everyone lives in Utah, but Utah actually has one of the better public trans systems in the US.

Ew....maybe for the size of the city or something. But as of now it only goes one direction. North and south, and it takes forever. We will see when its all done but its so freaking slow. From Sandy to the University of Utah is literally an hour and a half.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Only euro weenies drive hybrids.

In America, we drive real vehicles.

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[One Brow]

Though I have to admit I am yet to see data to proves that we need to cut emissions.

Much of the data is publically available. Can you interpret it?

 

[franklin]

Yes, you're right. People are toys for the government to manipulate into whatever behavior is currently preferred. In this instance it's driving hybrids, in another it might be shoving undesirable people into ovens. Whatever the government needs humans for it should manipulate them into doing.

The comparison of incentivizing environmentally friendly transportation for an apparent societal gain to genocide is a little ridiculous. A lot ridiculous. My problem with the "stay away from me government" movement is that there are some decisions that are beneficial to society as a whole, but the rational individual decision doesn't get us there. That's why I think we need the incentives.

Does this qualify as Godwin's Law?

Catch up to Gameface.