No. $1.3 M worth of no, apparently.
https://fox13now.com/2015/04/30/utah-pays-high-priced-lobbyist-to-de-list-wolves/
https://fox13now.com/2015/04/30/utah-pays-high-priced-lobbyist-to-de-list-wolves/
do u liek wolfs?
- Thread starter Harambe
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I believe it's pronounced "woofs".
I don't see how. The original $800k was BS in the first place, but at least there was some conversation(albeit, from the likes of Buttars). The original bill also said no further funding would be necessary, yet another half million was granted that wasn't even discovered to be in the budget until two hours before signing the budget, let alone debated. There a lot more data in 2015 than there was in 2010.
And the contract wording said the guy would get the money upon delivery, but he was given it up front. An auditor even came in and stated all of this was highly irregular.
My bad dawg. No disrespk
Mods, can you change wolfs to woofs?
It's funny how the slightly controversial topics in Utah gain so much attention for 'waste' while so many other earmarks are either ignored or supported without question.
RandyForRubio
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Kill em all.
*confirmed*
bjacksonjazzfan
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I'm hungry like the wolf. Does anyone have a sandwich?
I like wolves. I had a wonderful half-malamute/half wolf. What a sweetheart.
I'd say if they are thriving in Montana, Wyoming and Idaho, they don't need to be considered "endangered" here either. I want to do some good wolf breeding and have a pack with me when I go into the wilderness areas to face off the cougars, or into the Burbank foothills or Oakland foothills or Santa Barbara foothills, for that matter.
Fair and balanced.
I'd say if they are thriving in Montana, Wyoming and Idaho, they don't need to be considered "endangered" here either. I want to do some good wolf breeding and have a pack with me when I go into the wilderness areas to face off the cougars, or into the Burbank foothills or Oakland foothills or Santa Barbara foothills, for that matter.
Fair and balanced.
And what do you consider thriving? I'm not sure 109 between two states(Arizona/New Mexico area) is considered thriving yet. Nor does a Doctor(Ph.d, not a pansy MD) who champions conservancy in the west.
But I don't think you grasp the gravity of what's really being said here. I blame myself, and my haphazardly jocular thread title, but I assumed people would "catch what I'm throwin". So perhaps I should illuminate my concerns:
1. There is an animal that DOESN'T LIVE IN UTAH, that UTAH TAXPAYER DOLLARS funded to de-list, so we can kill them
2. The wording of the "grant" given originally stated that the money would be provided upon completion of "lobby"
3. It also stipulated that no further money would be needed after the initial $800k
4. CHRIS F***ING BUTTARS helped champion it through the first time
5. This year, an additional $500k was slipped into the budget day of or day before the budget was signed
6. As of this year, no additional review and no additional debate about more funding happened
7. No plan for the money, or plan on how to use the money was submitted before money was sent out
8. No plan for the money, or plan on how to use the money, or breakdown of how the money was used was submitted, ever
9. Kirk Robinson, Ph.D., executive director of Western Wildlife Conservancy has documented, respected data that shows allegations that led to the funding of this lobbyist to be "Pants on fire" levels of false.
10. To round it out, no other state has spent a dime on the de-listing
Does that more accurate sum up my concern? Anyone else have something?
In the wild? Pure, natural, Mexican Brown Wolves?
I mean, all sides will say they will stumble in from time to time, but I don't see any reported populations.
Or did I just bite the item on the bridge..
In the wild? Pure, natural, Mexican Brown Wolves?
I mean, all sides will say they will stumble in from time to time, but I don't see any reported populations.
Or did I just bite the item on the bridge..
I worked with a guy who was one of the first to report seeing wolves in Utah. So, I don't know about populations living and breeding here, but the wolf he saw was well within Utah. I'm not trying to get into this because I don't know much about this issue and I know nothing of wolves migration, habitation, reproduction habits at all.
Will it make you feel better if I say more than 96% of Utah(to say outside of the bear lake area on the Utah/Wyoming/Idaho love triangle) has no natural wolf population?
I mean, I could get by on it's not confirmed just suspected or rumored, but I'll keep an open mind.
It wouldn't make me feel anything.
mellow
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Absolutely agree.
The stories of " wild dogs" living in the wilderness around Strawberry are rubbish. Just trying to keep public clamour down about a pack.
There are plenty of stories of the so called ' lone wolf' including one killed in southern Utah last year. I'm convinced I saw wolf tracks in 2007 or 2008 in a lonely canyon near electric lake.
The move to delist the animals is a move to save some poor farmer who shoots a lousy wolf killing a sheep or calf. Or to save the revenue stream that is the DWR.
Cappy_Smurf
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I'm not going to go so far as to call BS, but I'm extremely skeptical of such claims. I've spent a lot of time in Idaho/Montana over the last 10 years, and if you were to believe the people who live(and more importantly, hunt/ranch) in those states, they are overrun with wolves just waiting to eat everyone's children. In all that time, I have seen one single solitary wolf myself. There are obviously a decent number of wolves in those states, but the fear mongering has gotten to be a bit ridiculous. Truth be told, there is an absolute paranoia among hunters and ranchers(hunters especially), and they will go to extreme lengths to spread their propaganda. The goal of most of these people is to convince the public that they are such a threat, that they should be legal to shoot on sight and wiped out again, and there's no doubt they have infected other states that they will be next to be invaded by the furry menace. Sorry folks, but I'm not buying it. I have no doubt that wolves might cross into Utah from time to time, but when you start hearing about packs of wolves living around strawberry, I gotta raise a brow.