Do you believe in the afterlife?

[Gameface]

A lot of them are also people who weren't loved by their parents (or anyone for that matter) so the idea of a god loving them is too foreign to them.

I thought you wanted a fresh start, then you go and out yourself on the 8th post?

SMD

 

[Gameface]

What makes you think you know what is rational?


I'm baffled that so many people are so sure they know the absolute truths about our existence..

I'd love to hear what your explanation of life is, and how it all works.


The fact of the matter is, not one human being on the planet can prove squat one way or the other. Anything other than saying you don't know yet, is just guess.

This is so frustrating.

Of course we don't know everything about everything. That doesn't open the door to making unsubstantiated claims and forcing people to give them credibility.

If one makes a positive claim the burden of proof is on them to provide substance to that claim. Period. End of story.

 

[Gameface]

This.

I think the majority of non believers are probably people who haven't had a good enough scare.

That's very insulting...and completely untrue.

 

[LogGrad98]

I don't have the answers to absolute questions. I just don't think a near death experience is credible proof either way.

No a NDE is not credible proof. But during the first of the 2 I have experienced, I saw things that were happening hundreds of miles away at pretty much that exact time, and described them in detail the day I woke up (like 2 days later) as they were still vivid in my mind, and it was confirmed later that what I saw was what had happened. That was strange and fantastic and more than a little scary, and no one I have spoken to can explain it, and neither can I. But it sure affects the way you think about these kinds of things going forward.

 

[Hotdog]

This is so frustrating.

Of course we don't know everything about everything. That doesn't open the door to making unsubstantiated claims and forcing people to give them credibility.

If one makes a positive claim the burden of proof is on them to provide substance to that claim. Period. End of story.

Not true.

Can you provide substance that proves you love your family? Is the love in your heart something you can measure?

Can science prove every single one of their theories with substance?

 

[♪alt13]

No a NDE is not credible proof. But during the first of the 2 I have experienced, I saw things that were happening hundreds of miles away at pretty much that exact time, and described them in detail the day I woke up (like 2 days later) as they were still vivid in my mind, and it was confirmed later that what I saw was what had happened. That was strange and fantastic and more than a little scary, and no one I have spoken to can explain it, and neither can I. But it sure affects the way you think about these kinds of things going forward.

I'm not trying to belittle you in any way, but what about your experience validates the existence of god in particular. If we open the door for that couldn't we say that your experience was just some form of magic. We could take from your experience that you have magical powers and we still wouldn't necessarily need the existence of a supreme being to explain it.

PS I believe in magic. Everything that I can't(and nobody else for that matter)explain is magic. Sometimes I wish I lived in a time where more things were magic. When the world was waiting to be discovered. It will likely be millennia(if ever)before humans have the opportunity to embark on such grand adventures again.

 

[The Midnight]

I attended 2 weddings over here recently. Can definately confirm the getting paid thing. Besides paying a a lot for a 60 min service from the church, you have to pay the organist and choir seperately for appearance. With the organist I'm not sure if he's included in the fee for the church.

I'm not talking about a wedding or special events... I was just talking about a Sunday service type thing. Hard to imagine someone would get paid to play there.

 

[LogGrad98]

I'm not trying to belittle you in any way, but what about your experience validates the existence of god in particular. If we open the door for that couldn't we say that your experience was just some form of magic. We could take from your experience that you have magical powers and we still wouldn't necessarily need the existence of a supreme being to explain it.

PS I believe in magic. Everything that I can't(and nobody else for that matter)explain is magic. Sometimes I wish I lived in a time where more things were magic. When the world was waiting to be discovered. It will likely be millennia(if ever)before humans have the opportunity to embark on such grand adventures again.

I don't equate what I experienced to a supreme being necessarily. I just pointed out that it cannot be explained. Is a supreme being one option, sure it is. It is also an option that we all live in the Matrix. It is also an option that aliens forced me to have that experience. I said of course it isn't definitive, but it cannot be discounted either, and it truly did change the way I view the world. I think I am far more open-minded when it comes to those sorts of things than I was before, as I have personally experienced something that cannot be explained, so why can't others have similar experiences, or why can't other things happen that cannot be explained? It has also allowed me to view other people's beliefs with a much higher degree of tolerance than I could before, for the same reasons. The human brain is unimaginably complex, and capable of so much that we simply cannot understand. Who is to say that it isn't the work of a supreme being? Who is to say that it unequivocally is?

 

[The Midnight]

Ever had one?

I have had 2. One of them I don't like to talk about. Let's just say it can be life-altering as nothing else I have ever experienced. Kind of like chemo, you cannot really know what it's like until you have been there.

Well can you talk about the other one?


Also would be interested to know what your faith/belief was prior to and post the experience.


TIA.

 

[Batman]

There has to be an after life because ghosts are obviously real.

 

[LogGrad98]

There has to be an after life because ghosts are obviously real.

Let's tell ghost stories!

So I took my kids on a tour of the haunted house in Virginia City. It is the "Millionaire's Club", where during the gold rush years it was the posh gathering place for millionaires of the time, many of whom had wealth in excess of billions in today's money. The building is huge, and purportedly haunted for over a century. They take you upstairs (it has 3 floors) and through the various rooms and such. It is in a perpetual state of remodeling, or so it seems. The tour guides have obviously been doing this for years, and their delivery was very polished. We went through a bunch of rooms and they showed us where ghost hunters came and stayed for like 3 days. There were stairwells up the back to back doors for "working girls" of the era, and other areas cordoned off because it was unstable to go there. At one point there was a shaft into a cellar-like room where they had stacked bodies like cord-wood during a particularly bad winter when many people died but couldn't be buried due to the ground being frozen, so the bodies were stored in the club's wine cellar to control the rot until spring. It was all very interesting.

Ont he 3rd floor he showed us a backroom with a small hall-way to another room that had no other entrances than that hallway. I was one of the first down into that room and when I looked down that hallway there was a guy in a cowboy hat, what looked like faded levis, a leather vest kind of thing and a cowboy hat. He was facing away of me as I glanced around the room. It was kind of boring so I went back up the hall, but before I did he turned and looked at me. He had a handlebar mustache and I thought he was part of the wild-west shootout they had going on. I nodded at him and he kind of glared at me then turned away. I thought, jeez what a pissy dude. I went back to the main group.

That was when I realized I hadn't seen that guy in the main group at all. The room he was in had no other way in than the hallway I walked down to see it and I was standing now at the other end of that hall. I looked back to the room and there was no one there. I asked my brother-in-law, who was visiting, if he had seen the guy because he came in right behind me and he said no. The guide was talking about a card-game gone wrong or some such thing and about a guy who had been killed in that room, who had a handlebar mustache and was known to walk the halls, and was always pissed off. He said on many tours people had seen or heard him (he apparently told people to get out).

That was a little weird.

 

[Batman]

Let's tell ghost stories!

So I took my kids on a tour of the haunted house in Virginia City. It is the "Millionaire's Club", where during the gold rush years it was the posh gathering place for millionaires of the time, many of whom had wealth in excess of billions in today's money. The building is huge, and purportedly haunted for over a century. They take you upstairs (it has 3 floors) and through the various rooms and such. It is in a perpetual state of remodeling, or so it seems. The tour guides have obviously been doing this for years, and their delivery was very polished. We went through a bunch of rooms and they showed us where ghost hunters came and stayed for like 3 days. There were stairwells up the back to back doors for "working girls" of the era, and other areas cordoned off because it was unstable to go there. At one point there was a shaft into a cellar-like room where they had stacked bodies like cord-wood during a particularly bad winter when many people died but couldn't be buried due to the ground being frozen, so the bodies were stored in the club's wine cellar to control the rot until spring. It was all very interesting.

Ont he 3rd floor he showed us a backroom with a small hall-way to another room that had no other entrances than that hallway. I was one of the first down into that room and when I looked down that hallway there was a guy in a cowboy hat, what looked like faded levis, a leather vest kind of thing and a cowboy hat. He was facing away of me as I glanced around the room. It was kind of boring so I went back up the hall, but before I did he turned and looked at me. He had a handlebar mustache and I thought he was part of the wild-west shootout they had going on. I nodded at him and he kind of glared at me then turned away. I thought, jeez what a pissy dude. I went back to the main group.

That was when I realized I hadn't seen that guy in the main group at all. The room he was in had no other way in than the hallway I walked down to see it and I was standing now at the other end of that hall. I looked back to the room and there was no one there. I asked my brother-in-law, who was visiting, if he had seen the guy because he came in right behind me and he said no. The guide was talking about a card-game gone wrong or some such thing and about a guy who had been killed in that room, who had a handlebar mustache and was known to walk the halls, and was always pissed off. He said on many tours people had seen or heard him (he apparently told people to get out).

That was a little weird.

Wow. Interesting story. Yeah man, I think if you search hard enough, its pretty easy to come to the conclusion that ghosts are real.