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Do you feel the front office is to blame?

Hayward was going to do what he wanted, but that isn't to say that management could have done more.

1)Give him a 5 yr deal instead of making him go out and get the Charlotte offer (we'd still have him another year)

2)I feel like he wasn't utilized properly under Quin's offense. Without a doubt, Boston's offensive sets will be much more complementary to Hayward's game. Sadly Boston runs a lot of the classic Jazz offense. I liked Boston a lot more before yesterday. A big part of Boston's presentation was how their offensive sets would help Hayward.

It is easy to second guess a lot of other management decisions in hindsight, whether it be draft picks, etc. Overall I feel management has done a good job with the team., but I do feel like they mishandled aspects of the overall process with Hayward (not that they didn't also do a lot right).

Sadly it is just a big step back when we looked like they were ready to take a big leap forward. I will try and look on the bright side, and hope that Exum has a lot of growth and Mitchell will shine. Although I also think Exum will bounce as soon as he can too. ****.
 
I blame DL and the Jazz front office for misjudging the market before Hayward became a free agent. 2013 could have seen them extend him at a 5 year max AND keep DeMarre Carrol and Paul Millsap for what would amount to peanuts. That's my biggest gripe.

Jazz did everything right this offseason and he still left. Nothing you can do about that. I think fans would be less pissed if he's come out right after the playoffs and said he was going to Boston and Utah could have focused on moving forward. CP3 jumped to Houston right off the bat and there hasn't been a peep. Hayward played with heartstrings and gave fans hope. That's what has people upset.

Thankfully, DL is a really solid GM (Gobert, Hood, JJ, Mitchell and hopefully Rubio are all solid acquisitions)and they've got a young franchise player like Gobert to build around. Now is when DL gets to earn his money.
 
Thinking in the context of this being a business, I'd say management has done a fine job. Seats are full, merchandise is moving and most fans are satisfied with us getting past the first round. We stay out of the luxury tax and don't generally overpay. A championship is a fools dream in this market and that is reality. You do the best with what you can get and hope to stay at or above .500. Hayward didn't like the culture in Utah so he left. That's life. Who's to say that even if they had traded him his replacement would have felt any different? I will continue to watch and cheer for the ultimate underdogs (Jazz). Cheer their victories and rue the losses but stay in reality. Good for the Millers and everyone else profiting off of their foresight. That's what America's all about isn't it?
 
PG_AB said:
I say yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtCQHCOls2E

Here's why;

Blaming (Scapegoating) Hayward is all well and good, what about the people paid to obviate issues such as these? Where was the clairvoyance thats worthy of big-bucks and fancy titles?

They aren't the victims of some elaborate deception, they're just plain old ****ing patsys.. If urine management and poop goes haywire on your watch, you're accountable. No??? "I didn't see it coming" is not an acceptable excuse...

Don't tell me the whole lot of them are absolved.. They put their eggs in the wrong basket, and have totally thrown off the teams trajectory in the process. It was by choice, their hands were NOT forced. They opted for this volatility instead of angling for steady progress thru player development. You can argue they still have young players to develop, the point is WHY DON'T THEY HAVE MORE?!

They traded long-term assets for short term fixes that didn't get the job done, and got left with the bill..

Like I've been saying for years; they overplayed their hand. C'mon now.. They obviously did. This is not all on Hayward, you didn't have to be Miss Cleo to see this coming, the first time he was a free agent he signed elsewhere too.

They balked at countless opportunities to return great assets (PLAY IT SAFE) for Hayward(Suns reportedly offered the 4th and 13th pick in last years draft) in turn for a chance to (GAMBLE) re-sign him, and they failed, Thats the story here.


I told you all, I'd have done a better job, what the front office has done here is very, very very far from impressive (How many assets have been spent on PG's since the Trey Burke fiasco??!?!?!?... the team would be loaded with young talent, instead it's got these vets brought in to appease a player thats not even here(this is like LeBron telling Miami to draft Shabazz Napier all over again) and some pretty good semi-young players that deserve better.


Lets also not forget just how absurd it was to be in 'win-now' mode with the Warriors in the west in the first place................................ What were they thinking? what were they smoking? what kool-aid were they drinking? I feel like if Scrappy Doo was the GM, these are the kind of moves he'd make. All for what too?!? to get demolished by the Warriors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG8dgN6x2EA

If I was the owners I'd fire everyone. How do you look back on these last 2 summers and not just think about how wasteful this all was? For what too? Hayward didn't break any rules, he did what he wanted to do, which he's got the right to. Why the front office didn't ensure a return on the investment is a whole different story.
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Not at all. This is on Hayward.
 
candrew said:
Let's see how magnanimous everyone is once the season starts and The Jazz struggle to score 85 points every night.
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Kind of a dumb thing to say. I don't think any team in history has ever averaged 85 points or less per game. The worst most tankiest philly team from a few years ago scored over 85 ppg with ease.

The jazz, like every team in the NBA, is full of NBA players.
 
I do know that many here did not want to max Gordon 3 years ago now we are after DL for having the same concerns about maxing Gordon. The only thing that 4th year would do for us is delay the inevitable. The silver lining is that now we can get a better feel for what Hood is capable of.
 
Giving Gordon a max deal last round without letting him test the market made no sense at all at the time and using 20/20 hindsight to criticize the decision makes even less sense. Gordon made a decision that defies logic from an economic and basketball standpoint. The things the Jazz FO could control they did a great job of controlling. There is some underlying rationale that Gordon is using to leave Utah but nothing that could be controlled by the Jazz. Maybe his wife really wants to live in Boston. And the thought that we trade our best player the year before they are eligible to leave simply means you have no chance at building a winner. This one hurts but time to move on.
 
Hindsight is 20/20. Maybe we should have traded him last year when he still had value. The FO must have thought there was some possibility of him staying. Maybe they thought winning would help, but I think he wanted out no matter what, so part of me things the FO should have had some idea. Who knows, perhaps they considered dealing him. All the rumors and whispers about him wanting to go to Boston were true, so perhaps the FO should have tried to salvage some value. This sucks, but we'll be fine without the primadonna.
 
Would you have matched Charlotte's offer though?

No buts or if, just yes or no.
 
If we had Gallinari, Frank Mason & Donovan Mitchel/(Malik Monk) right now would we be sad? That's the team we'd have right now. If I were the GM

true, true
 
Fans are to blame with their dumb letter the stayward billboards

Front Office is to blame with putting all their eggs in the Hayward basket

Quin is to blame for not playing the young players in the playoffs allowing them to feel the playoff feeling

Jazz development team is to blame for focusing on old Joe Ingles and Hayward

The media is to blame because they had Haywards junk in their mind that not one of them until now have written anything but Hayward fluff pieces to further drive fans to be irrational on Hayward's value.

I'm not to blame because once again my Mission has been Accomplished!

[video=youtube_share;48H34ukFe8g]https://youtu.be/48H34ukFe8g
 
rare144 said:
Would you have matched Charlotte's offer though?

No buts or if, just yes or no.
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No. I didn't want them to match that offer. I was very vocal about it. (Though with hindsight matching was the right move and I was wrong. Haywood was worth that contract. The money we paid him never hurt the jazz)

I was also very vocal about wanting to trade Haywood for a top 3 pick last year (might have even been able to get more on top of the draft pick).
 
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