Yeah, I personally had no desire to challenge what you said there.
Do you support these protests against Trump?
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Yeah, I personally had no desire to challenge what you said there.
UGLI baby
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This is not meant as an Ah Ha! type of question, just a legit question on your viewpoint.
What do you make of minorities who voted for Trump? I think I read like 30% hispanics voted for Trump, and like 9% black people (not claiming I know those figures are accurate).
That might be low percentage wise, but that's a ton of individual people voting for a person almost everyone is calling a racist.
Again, a real question to get your view, not to set you up. I ask because we have contrasting views and I do not think Trump is racist.
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I don't see the big deal. If there is any point it was that Trump didn't lose everywhere yet somehow still win the election. He won a lot of votes, but losing big in California tipped the scales.
And really it is also an indictment of the electoral college system imo.
fgcamel
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I actually think a lot of his supporters just view him as not bowing to political correctness rather than being racist. Which is highly valued among people who have grown sick of all the social justice warriors and safe spaces of today.
Option D --
I can see where "the wall" and some other issues the racists took as pandering to them and thus emboldening them. Under this option I recognize this as factual but choose to look past the gummy hacks and view things as a whole.
If I could eradicate racism I would do so in a minute... but I can't, you can't, and neither of the candidates could. It's a dying breed. Racism has been declining, steadily, for more than 100 years (please don't deny that) and as much as it's disgusting, the finish line is something that requires more than just 1st down runs.
BTW, America doesn't have some exclusive license to racism. Whether it's religion, color, culture, etc... it's a global thing and although I wish America was better, I dare suggest we've made more strides in our young history than counterparts have over a millennia.
So for me it's not about racism. I am an anti-establishment (politically entitled) hack.
I'm hopeful for shake up. I will never condone unfair treatment. I just want someone to do something smart. Maybe I'm misguided, but I'm not a racist.
b_line
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Holy **** this is terrifying how accurate this is. We need to wake up and not allow Trump to undo the progress that has been made for minorities and women in the last 50 years.
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Many minorities see the world through a racial lense. Many have come to terms with the fact they live in a racial world. Hell, I'd say most of them have. And some minorities are racists.
In all of my posts I have left open the possibility that people can see issues that are larger than racism and decide on their candidate based on their own set of priorities. There are even minorities that respect the idea of a nation protecting its culture and boarders against undue influence from other cultures and ethnicities. Many of them might see themselves as the ones who played by the rules and have achieved a higher level of acceptance within our society because of their efforts at acclimation and integration.
Latinos are not particularly liberal in their views overall. If the Republican party had made any effort over the last 20 years they could have huge support in the Latino community. Instead they have talked about building walls and deporting Latinos. Despite that many latinos plain and simple agree with their ideology on too many other issues and side with them regardless of the fact that conservatives have not embraced them.
The story about the Muslim woman who voted for Trump was moving. All through the election I was creating arguments that might make me question my support for Clinton, yet Trump never put any of those arguments forward. He just continued calling Hillary a crook and talking about other **** I didn't care about. And that's part of the issue I have. There was a -- cover your ears Joe Bagofdonuts, I'm about to use words you don't like -- nuanced argument to be made regarding Clinton's role in the destruction of the gains made during the "surge" in Iraq. As well as her role in not preventing the rise of ISIS. There is more, but regardless these arguments Trump never made any of them. He made arguments that I personally thought were dumb. And he mostly said things that I thought was dumb, and he seemed to appeal to the dumb side of people and not the better part of people. He didn't try to appeal to the thoughtful, intelligent, sensitive parts of our being, he instead appealed to the scared, brutish, simple parts of our being. I don't like that. I don't want that. It makes me sad that as a nation we chose that.
But if I take any condolence, it is this: I have never known, in my lifetime, a Presidential candidate to keep to their promises. I only hope Trump turns out to be no different than the rest.
b_line
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I view it as this: not everyone that voted for Trump was racist, but every racist certainly voted for Trump.
However, I'd add a caveat that if you voted for Trump, you have to be kidding yourself if you disbelieve that you are at least mildly racist. A person completely devoid of racial prejudice would stand on principle alone in not voting for Trump. By contrast, vote for Trump carries a certain amount of condoning his racist behavior. The person who views themselves as not racist, and treats others equally, but still voted for Trump is, at the very least telling us that they think it's alright to be vicariously racist, if not overtly racist.
I respect a very few amount if people that I know who cast a Trump vote, but I live in Utah where we had an option for a third party conservative that was not an idiot. Trump would have gotten the majority if those votes had mcmullin not run, and more people I respect would have voted for Trump. I get the argument that they are not racist, but to argue that they are not racist by ommission is wrong. Even if it's extremely mild, they are not devoid of racism. Otherwise, we wouldn't be taking about president elect tRump
b_line
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Forgive me, Arne, but that's insulting.
Although I didn't vote for Trump (I didn't), there's no way that tens of millions of people voted for him because they're "kinda racist."
My daughter (kindergarten) has a teacher (woman) that is the nicest, sweetest, person you'll ever meet.
She was ecstatic over his election because she's tired of career politicians making business decisions. Maybe she's dumb. But she's not a racist.
I have another friend that's a black cop that feels EXACTLY the same way.
Only reason(s) I'm here. To defend those people who have a different vision of what happened than others do. They are not bashing you. You are bashing them.
b_line
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I totally agree that racism has been declining, but I would say it's more that it's been declining in the US since basically the revolution. The funny thing is the way we react to the mild resurgences in racism. I view it as a line that follows a linear trend but is not linear short term, like most things. It's terrifying to us when people get back to being a little more racist than we feel that the general public has progressed to. But that trend will smooth, and in a other hundred years from now, the world will be a much less racist place. It's just a little difficult and bunny at times.
I'm encouraged by the state of the US when I read or hear about some other less developed countries and the leadership they have. The dude in the Philippines is pretty damn terrifying right now for example. We have a system in place that will remove a leader like that fairly quickly, and we have a fairly resilient people and economy. That is what I take comfort in these days.