Do you want our pick to convey this year?

[Handlogten's Heros]

First of all, the first quoted statement literally follows up with “and more importantly”. Andy is literally saying the more important part is who they are not playing with.

Secondly, none of that says the frustration in the locker room was directed at Hendricks. Two things can be true, the players can not enjoy playing with Hendricks and their outward frustration can also not be directed at Hendricks. It is not remotely close to what LeBron did. LeBron actually said it to the media.

Lastly, of course he will have to change their opinion. This is the NBA. They aren’t going to think he’s good until he’s good. What possible expectation do you have for them? He win them over with his smile? Get out of here.

You say get mad at the FO and not at Hendricks. There is nothing that shows this frustration was directed at Hendricks and not the FO. In fact, the direct quote says it’s the players who are gone that are most important. I say, don’t get mad at the players for the way they’re acting, get upset at the FO. This is the expectation when you trade away 3 rotation players for zero.

It is not just Hendricks. It is frustration with one another. Its out there on the court. Its obvious. Hendricks gets his fair share sure. It does not have to be directly at Taylor or anyone but when you are frustrated with who you are playing with and don't care that everyone knows about it... it is implied that the frustration is with the new guys. Saying... hey nothing personal I really like working with the person you replaced more than you. Isn't a whole lot better than saying I don't think you are good enough.

He will have to earn it. I get that. But not throwing it to him in the corner when he's open ain't gonna help him prove it. Defensively its on him to make sure he impacts the game with his activity.

Its not just Taylor... its the bad body language with one another and not trusting teammates (not just Taylor). And for the 12th time. I'm cool with it being a week or so to blow off the steam. Literally said it in the OP I hope they got it out of their system and can now go to work... even if it isn't what they hoped.

 

[homeytennis]

DL would have just said that's another ingredient in the kak.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

By that's exactly what you've been complaining about and continue to complain about. What. Which is it?

And you really want Lauri to leave in the summer? Or maybe the FO could treat them a little better? Even if they make the trades, come in, explain what you did, take questions, let the players let out some steam. But I'm sure that's just the top quality management in the NBA.

Huh... I said I hope they got it out of their system. I'm fine with the reaction. If this is what continues through the end of the season then its an overreaction.

I don't want Lauri to leave... but he should let the team know that he will. What I want doesn't matter. Its the NBA... trades happen. I gave the Simone trade a C+. I did not like it. I get that they don't like it. Let the frustration out. Long term if the frustration manifests on the court in the ways it did then yeah he should ask out.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

DL would have just said that's another ingredient in the kak.

DL would have said the phone didn't ring and never made a trade.

 

[homeytennis]

DL would have just said that's another ingredient in the kak.

 

[KqWIN]

It is not just Hendricks. It is frustration with one another. Its out there on the court. Its obvious. Hendricks gets his fair share sure. It does not have to be directly at Taylor or anyone but when you are frustrated with who you are playing with and don't care that everyone knows about it... it is implied that the frustration is with the new guys. Saying... hey nothing personal I really like working with the person you replaced more than you. Isn't a whole lot better than saying I don't think you are good enough.

He will have to earn it. I get that. But not throwing it to him in the corner when he's open ain't gonna help him prove it. Defensively its on him to make sure he impacts the game with his activity.

Its not just Taylor... its the bad body language with one another and not trusting teammates (not just Taylor). And for the 12th time. I'm cool with it being a week or so to blow off the steam. Literally said it in the OP I hope they got it out of their system and can now go to work... even if it isn't what they hoped.

They never said this though. It is known they feel this way (it's obvious that everyone knows that the guys they lost are better than Taylor), but their frustration was directed at the overall situation and once again...MOST IMPORTANTLY the players that are gone. Yeah we know that if you're upset that KO is gone it also indirectly means they liked playing with KO than TH and the other players on the roster. If you're going to take that to heart, tough **** I guess.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

They never said this though. It is known they feel this way (it's obvious that everyone knows that the guys they lost are better than Taylor), but their frustration was directed at the overall situation and once again...MOST IMPORTANTLY the players that are gone. Yeah we know that if you're upset that KO is gone it also indirectly means they liked playing with KO than TH and the other players on the roster. If you're going to take that to heart, tough **** I guess.

Yeah I mean they are saying it openly to the media. We may not get the exact words and they may not be these are bum *** chumps that we can't win with. From the article:

Tonight, players were pretty chatty. But it wasn’t because they don’t care if they win or lose anymore — it’s because they’re frustrated as can possibly be about the state of the team. And they didn’t really care if the media knew about it. In particular, they feel like they were sold a bill of goods.

Again... that's fine if the sentiment lasts a week. If it continues its another thing.

Its just funny they act like all is lost and its over... which becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and does more harm to the performance of the team than not having those players. If KO and Simone had sprained ankles that lasted 30 games would the season be doomed? Ochai was awful... he was about to be out of the rotation if we were really trying to compete.

So go ahead and have your moment but at some point go on ahead and do the job you get a pile of money to do. In 30 games if you don't feel valued still... go ahead and take that to management or leave in FA. Trades are part of the business and its not like we were a top 5 seed. We were like .5 game up or in the final play in spot with some good suitors behind us.

 

[fishonjazz]

Yeah I mean they are saying it openly to the media. We may not get the exact words and they may not be these are bum *** chumps that we can't win with. From the article:

Tonight, players were pretty chatty. But it wasn’t because they don’t care if they win or lose anymore — it’s because they’re frustrated as can possibly be about the state of the team. And they didn’t really care if the media knew about it. In particular, they feel like they were sold a bill of goods.

Again... that's fine if the sentiment lasts a week. If it continues its another thing.

Its just funny they act like all is lost and its over... which becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and does more harm to the performance of the team than not having those players. If KO and Simone had sprained ankles that lasted 30 games would the season be doomed? Ochai was awful... he was about to be out of the rotation if we were really trying to compete.

So go ahead and have your moment but at some point go on ahead and do the job you get a pile of money to do. In 30 games if you don't feel valued still... go ahead and take that to management or leave in FA. Trades are part of the business and its not like we were a top 5 seed. We were like .5 game up or in the final play in spot with some good suitors behind us.

Good post
Fwiw I believe that the raptors and pistons are 0-4 since the trade.

And I still don't think Hardy is trying all that hard to win games.

Kessler 5-7 from the field, 1-1 from the line, 11 points, 9 rebounds, 2 steals, 4 blocks and dead even in plus/minus in a game we lost by 22 points. Only 2 fouls. And he only gets 25 minutes.



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[Handlogten's Heros]

Good post
Fwiw I believe that the raptors and pistons are 0-4 since the trade.

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Its all a bit rich for me. Hopefully they chill a bit. The whole "we were sold a false bill of goods" is just acting like this was some huge dramatic betrayal. Like what did you want management to say? We aren't trying to make the playoffs this year?

What is the false bill of goods you were sold? Were you not going to play hard unless they told you they wouldn't trade any good players? Which player sacrificed to be here instead of somewhere else? Is barely holding onto the 10th seed holding up your end of that deal? Is the play in that big of a deal/experience that management shouldn't do what they feel is best for the long term health of the franchise.

There are some players that should have legitimate gripes about role and minutes throughout the season. I honestly think Hardy changing the rotation is just as much a sign of throwing in the towel as DA trading some guys. It sucks... for fans and the players. If trading Simone and KO really derails your season THAT much then what we had wasn't some sacred cow that needed to be preserved.

 

[KqWIN]

Yeah I mean they are saying it openly to the media. We may not get the exact words and they may not be these are bum *** chumps that we can't win with. From the article:

Tonight, players were pretty chatty. But it wasn’t because they don’t care if they win or lose anymore — it’s because they’re frustrated as can possibly be about the state of the team. And they didn’t really care if the media knew about it. In particular, they feel like they were sold a bill of goods.

Again... that's fine if the sentiment lasts a week. If it continues its another thing.

Its just funny they act like all is lost and its over... which becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and does more harm to the performance of the team than not having those players. If KO and Simone had sprained ankles that lasted 30 games would the season be doomed? Ochai was awful... he was about to be out of the rotation if we were really trying to compete.

So go ahead and have your moment but at some point go on ahead and do the job you get a pile of money to do. In 30 games if you don't feel valued still... go ahead and take that to management or leave in FA. Trades are part of the business and its not like we were a top 5 seed. We were like .5 game up or in the final play in spot with some good suitors behind us.

Methinks it’s a completely different feeling when players go down to injury and players are traded away for no current players. One is unfortunate luck, the other is a directive from the FO indicating that they don’t care about making the playoffs. Players in that locker room want to compete and win, when the FO directly goes against that cause it’s going to frustrate them. It is what it is.

Having said that, in both cases, players will be either upset or angry. If a player goes down and is upset that player is gone, idgaf if it makes the player who replaces the missing player feel bad because it indirectly implies they are worse. Like when Lauri was out, was it offensive to say that it was a big loss? That implies people besides Lauri are worse. Cry me a river.

 

[KqWIN]

The FO gave up on winning, don’t go shocked pikachu face when the players stop playing winning basketball. It’s like getting mad at Hardy for starting George “because it’s time”. Yeah….the goal isn’t to win the rest of the season so you’re not going to see the best winning performance by anyone. When the goal isn’t to win, you can’t grade the coaches on their contribution to winning/losing. It’s no longer the point of the season, if it ever was.

Getting back to the topic of this thread, I think it’s pretty clear that the Jazz want their pick back regardless of what was said. They don’t mind that the Jazz are getting pummeled as it puts them closer to the “prize”.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Methinks it’s a completely different feeling when players go down to injury and players are traded away for no current players. One is unfortunate luck, the other is a directive from the FO indicating that they don’t care about making the playoffs. Players in that locker room want to compete and win, when the FO directly goes against that cause it’s going to frustrate them. It is what it is.

Having said that, in both cases, players will be either upset or angry. If a player goes down and is upset that player is gone, idgaf if it makes the player who replaces the missing player feel bad because it indirectly implies they are worse. Like when Lauri was out, was it offensive to say that it was a big loss? That implies people besides Lauri are worse. Cry me a river.

Funny how you dgaf about some players feelings but give so many f's about other player's feelings in different situations. It is not like management sent a fruit basket saying "enjoy the playoffs lol" with a picture of DA giving two birds. I'm not defending their actions but its tough to see one as a targeted FU and having the players indicate frustration like they did verbally and on the court as just some thing that only a crybaby might take personal.

Management thinks they made the best decisions for the organization long term. Its a business decision. Why can't we say sorry... cry me a river?

Lauri is not the same as KO and Simone. When guys are out due to injury the general tone is "everybody gotta step up and fill their shoes" not "I'm so frustrated playing with these guys". Long term I would hope that will be the attitude of this group rather than feeling so hurt at what management did. I realize they are human and its fine to react this way now.