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Does anyone think Americans will wake up and vote for Ron Paul?

TheSilencer1313

TheSilencer1313

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After George W. Bush now unofficially endorsing Mitt Ronmey for president.
Are the sheeple going to get back in line with the warmongering, or will they continue to wake up to the fact that this country is broke and on the brink of collapse??
 
Maybe a lot of people are aware of that. Maybe they don't think Ron Paul is the answer.
 
While I agree with a lot he has to say regarding domestic policy I think his foreign policy sucks. Isolationism will not work in this day and age.
 
IMO no one in the current crop, including the incumbent. I agree with scat's assessment of Ron Paul, btw.

Until someone can bridge the gap between the dems and pubs it won't get any better, and if this congress and senate have proven anything it is that they are a bunch of morons who care nothing about the American people and only about their own re-election and that of their party. **** the world as long as a repub/dem is in power somewhere and the dreaded enemy (the other party) is not.
 
Scat said:
While I agree with a lot he has to say regarding domestic policy I think his foreign policy sucks. Isolationism will not work in this day and age.
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As well as you should agree with his domestic policy.
But how does his foreign policy suck??
There's a major difference between "isolationism" and "non-interventionism", which is what the founders preached.
And don't give me " the times have changed" crap.
The only difference between today, and 1776 is better communication and higher powered strategic weapons.

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LogGrad98 said:
IMO no one in the current crop, including the incumbent. I agree with scat's assessment of Ron Paul, btw.

Until someone can bridge the gap between the dems and pubs it won't get any better, and if this congress and senate have proven anything it is that they are a bunch of morons who care nothing about the American people and only about their own re-election and that of their party. **** the world as long as a repub/dem is in power somewhere and the dreaded enemy (the other party) is not.
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Well that assessment of Ron Paul is the same assessment that the mainstream media seems to spin, but I do appreciate your opinion.
Don't you find it the least bit interesting that the media pays all there attention to Romney and Gingrich, but wont give a second to Paul unless forced?
You do realize that the only reason Paul runs as a Republican is because the Reps and Dems are the only ones that can get into the debates.

I too wish the two party system would end somehow, but at this point there's no way short of a peoples revolution.
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
As well as you should agree with his domestic policy.
But how does his foreign policy suck??
There's a major difference between "isolationism" and "non-interventionism", which is what the founders preached.
And don't give me " the times have changed" crap.
The only difference between today, and 1776 is better communication and higher powered strategic weapons.

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Well, I'm a Ron Paul supporter, along with some of my best friends and a lot of folks in here. I don't think he's going to be able to change everything, or that all his positions are just right, but I just hope is gets elected and doesn't get shot.

Our foreign wars in more recent time have definitely become capricious in their concepts, and largely ineffective towards their vaunted aims, if we could even claim we know what their aims are. We have become a big bully on the world stage, and we're generating a lot of ill will, at a horrendous price to ourselves in life, limb, and finance. I definitely prefer the original US foreign policy, which was succinctly summed up as "Alliance with none, commerce with all", with the recognition that any free people just need to be prepared to stand for their own freedom. We could be a good example, maybe some of our private citizens feeling to become crusaders could form assistance efforts, but it's just bad business being the world cop.

I also support the call for an audit of the Fed, and for our legislative folks to assert actual control over our currency and debt, and stop the spending that is in effect a policy of generational theft.
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
Well that assessment of Ron Paul is the same assessment that the mainstream media seems to spin, but I do appreciate your opinion.
Don't you find it the least bit interesting that the media pays all there attention to Romney and Gingrich, but wont give a second to Paul unless forced?
You do realize that the only reason Paul runs as a Republican is because the Reps and Dems are the only ones that can get into the debates.

I too wish the two party system would end somehow, but at this point there's no way short of a peoples revolution.
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Well, considering that you immediately demeaned and marginalized my opinion, you obviously don't "appreciate" it.

But I appreciate that you condescendingly pretended to appreciate it.

Pretty much details where any discussion in this thread would go.

Have fun!
 
babe said:
Well, I'm a Ron Paul supporter, along with some of my best friends and a lot of folks in here. I don't think he's going to be able to change everything, or that all his positions are just right, but I just hope is gets elected and doesn't get shot.

Our foreign wars in more recent time have definitely become capricious in their concepts, and largely ineffective towards their vaunted aims, if we could even claim we know what their aims are. We have become a big bully on the world stage, and we're generating a lot of ill will, at a horrendous price to ourselves in life, limb, and finance. I definitely prefer the original US foreign policy, which was succinctly summed up as "Alliance with none, commerce with all", with the recognition that any free people just need to be prepared to stand for their own freedom. We could be a good example, maybe some of our private citizens feeling to become crusaders could form assistance efforts, but it's just bad business being the world cop.

I also support the call for an audit of the Fed, and for our legislative folks to assert actual control over our currency and debt, and stop the spending that is in effect a policy of generational theft.
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Agreed with everything said here.
As Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson have both been quoted as saying in different ways, "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

That has what has happened in the last hundred years (since the Federal Reserves inception), and is what Ron Paul stands up against.

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LogGrad98 said:
Well, considering that you immediately demeaned and marginalized my opinion, you obviously don't "appreciate" it.

But I appreciate that you condescendingly pretended to appreciate it.

Pretty much details where any discussion in this thread would go.

Have fun!
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Uh ok.....

How did I demean your opinion by pointing out that the mainstream media has the same opinion?
 
I don't like his idea of free market. We are in the problems that we are because we have weak toothed regulators. I is time to put the screws down and get these out of control billion dollar industries to quick trying to skate the edges of legal for the all might dollar.
 
KOC BEGONE said:
I don't like his idea of free market. We are in the problems that we are because we have weak toothed regulators. I is time to put the screws down and get these out of control billion dollar industries to quick trying to skate the edges of legal for the all might dollar.
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If KOC BEGONE is against Paul he must be the right candidate. Sign me up.
 
how much do you pay for your groceries?? gas??? heat??? electricity??? NOw lets give all the rights to do what every these companies want back to them and see just see whose intrest they care about.
 
KOC BEGONE said:
I don't like his idea of free market. We are in the problems that we are because we have weak toothed regulators. I is time to put the screws down and get these out of control billion dollar industries to quick trying to skate the edges of legal for the all might dollar.
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A lot of Ron Paul types see the need for restoring the Glass-Steagal Act, and recognize that our corporate heavyweights have disproportionate influence in government, and have in cases like Goldman-Sachs been hauling trillions out of the public treasury. I don't know who sold the "too big to fail" fraud on us, but they're the foxes in the legislative henhouse, and they've been sucking our eggs and killing our chickens for a hundred years now, and still might just go bankrupt. I say let them.
 
KOC BEGONE said:
I don't like his idea of free market. We are in the problems that we are because we have weak toothed regulators. I is time to put the screws down and get these out of control billion dollar industries to quick trying to skate the edges of legal for the all might dollar.
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Don't you realize that the free market economy is the reason this country is as powerful as it is today? From approximately 1776 to 1913 our economy was basically purely free market, then the Federal Reserve was founded.

Now every single cent of our federal tax dollars goes directly to the Fed to pay for the interest that they charge for every dollar printed.
Prior to 1913, the United States Treasury printed it's own dollars for free mind you.
People really need to take a look at American history here, and see where we eventually went wrong.
 
A) A purely corporation-owned party that votes 100% in favor of special interests. (Republicans)
B) A mostly corporation-owned party that gives great speaches about progressive ideals but, in reality, acts in favor of special interests. (Democrats)
C) A crazy old man with dangerous ideas about allowing states to overturn important federal decisions (abortion, race discrimination, etc) but who is mostly honest and gets most of his money from individual donors. (Ron Paul)

I might go with C.
 
babe said:
A lot of Ron Paul types see the need for restoring the Glass-Steagal Act, and recognize that our corporate heavyweights have disproportionate influence in government, and have in cases like Goldman-Sachs been hauling trillions out of the public treasury. I don't know who sold the "too big to fail" fraud on us, but they're the foxes in the legislative henhouse, and they've been sucking our eggs and killing our chickens for a hundred years now, and still might just go bankrupt. I say let them.
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I for one, am not too sure about restoring Glass-Steagal.
Reason being is, I'm not for any kind of federal mandates.

I don't think the big problem is companies being able to be an investment house, and also an insurance company...... the problem comes from when Washington insiders get involved, and like you said loot the treasury.

This was able to happen because people like J.P. Morgan, all of the Rockefellers, Paul Warburg, and the rest of the banking cartel worked in tandum with the private Federal Reserve to make it happen.
 
He's the biggest pseudolibertarian ever. He has all of the bad and none of the good parts of libertarianism other than staying out of wars and there are probably a few other ideas he could sell me on. I want to like him because he has some balls, has his own ideas, and doesn't care what anyone thinks of his ideas but those ideas just don't work for me. There are externalities that just aren't accounted for in an entirely free market system. I hate the warmongering as much as anyone but his policies are pretty isolationist.
 
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