Does Hayward have any trade value, you think?

[RealFansStand]

Gordon Hayward watched West walk to the bench and then drilled a big time three pointer from the top of the key in response to the finger poker incident.

Would you rather have someone who will turn around and shove West, get ejected from the game and possibly suspended by the league during a crucial stretch of games like that Dallas game started?

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Separate parargraphs, and the swing of the "I would look into acquiring Marcus Thornton, maybe." rings bells of "Jefferson/Hayward" for Thornton? If you wanted to make me look like the total tool you should have also included the other player I mentioned in the paragraph before that, Millsap then, right?

That's your argument? Millsap/Hayward for Thornton is supposed to be any better? And a separate paragraph means what exactly? That you did not seamlessly transition from your basic thoughts about packaging the two guys in one paragraph into your next paragraph in which what said offer would net us?

You have to be kidding, right?

 

[The Fresh Prince]

Sorry found out something that happened in my personal life and I am in a very bad, aggressive mood. Uncalled for. I do think you are wrong in stating we want medicority. I think it can clearly be backed up.

It's cool. Maybe not everybody, but a lot of people on this forum settle for the mediocrity. I have hope in Burks, Favors. I have hope in Enes Kanter. I think that Jefferson is a good teacher for Enes, but I also believe that he is going to hold Favors back. Derricks ready I feel for the starting role, but how are we going to fare with a Jefferson, Favors, and Millsap lineup night in and night out? I really feel one of the Down South Connection (Millsap/Jefferson) have got to go for us to see Derrick Favors get his 30 minutes a nite everyone raves about.

It's risky though, I suppose for guys like Enes to lose a man with such low post presence, but he's had a couple of months to absorb on what Al supposedly taught him. I think though with Kanter that what he needs is more time on the court. Like "On the Job" experience, that is where he benefits from. He needs to play overseas this offseason, most certainly and get his game polished up. If he doesn't see the floor though, he's going to be a certain bust. We do not want that hanging over our shoulders.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

That's your argument? Millsap/Hayward for Thornton is supposed to be any better? And a separate paragraph means what exactly? That you did not seamlessly transition from your basic thoughts about packaging the two guys in one paragraph into your next paragraph in which what said offer would net us?

You have to be kidding, right?

So you read what I wrote, and got that I supposedly am suggesting Paul Millsap and Gordon Hayward.. for Marcus Thornton?

You're a tool.

 

[akirac73]

Like everyone else on the Jazz, I don't see that "killer instinct" in Hayward. I agree, he will be a really good role player, but not a go-to-guy that can carry the team.

 

[MVP]

Obviously at current salary Hayward is very valuable for the Jazz for next season. My biggest question about him is what value he will have after Jazz will be facing decision to keep him or let him go? For 2013-2014 Jazz have a team option and I bet they will execute it as at 3.4mil salary Hayward will be a bargain. Now in 2014-2015 is the year Jazz will need to make decision, I honestly do not see Hayward as max player, I think Favors will be the one to get that type of money. Typicaly Jazz offer qualifying option for their players and let them explore the market... I think thats what is going to happen with Hayward. Then it will be to us to match or not.

 

[green]

Hayward is not the problem at all. The problem is #1, #2, #3, and #4 Al Jefferson. His inability to pass, the way he gets a 4 foot shot, passes out, then takes a 17 ft jumpshot, his inability to defend anyone, and his defense.

Next, it is Corbin for playing Jefferson.

One thing that worried me the other night, and I understand Burks was "feeling it", but his refusal to run the offense. There were a couple of plays where Harris yelled at him and waved him off to get the offense set. If Jefferson has taught us anything, we don't need a Carmello, Jefferson, Marbury, etc. If Burks is going to go down that path, get rid of him now.

 

[Siro]

You do know that all players go through ups and downs, right? Remember when Millsap disappeared for a 10 game stretch in the middle of the season? We don't need to start silly trade threads every time a player shoots poorly for a couple of games.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

You do know that all players go through ups and downs, right? Remember when Millsap disappeared for a 10 game stretch in the middle of the season? We don't need to start silly trade threads every time a player shoots poorly for a couple of games.

I'll say it again, and probably again after this... This thread is about if Gordon has trade value.

 

[jazzfan1971]

I'm sure he does. I think he's been pretty good this year. He's a little streaky, but, other than that he plays hard on defense, makes players around him better, and when his shot is falling he's a strong threat.

I do think he's a guy that would benefit from having the ball in his hands more. I think he's the best creator on the team right now.

 

[MoTappin]

I think Gordon is too soft....I just don't see much promise in the kid. He seems to lose hope, is a lost cause once he goes on a slump. Therefore, he must have trade value in this market.

Wow, that argument alone makes my head spin.

We have only scratched the surface of what Hayward is going to do. He's not going anywhere. I could see the Jazz becoming Hayward's team in the not too distant future. Sure he has trade value. But I see no reason to trade him. Like JazzFan1971 said, he's the best creator on the team.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

a lot of people on this forum settle for the mediocrity.

Saying someone on jazzfanz settles for mediocrity is just stupid. I've never sensed anyone on here ever didn't care if we won a championship or not.

You know what I think? I think Gordon is too soft. I ain't saying that he should be a thug (That isn't even humanely possible), but after the Delonte scene where he basically got bullied, and didn't do anything about it to stand up for himself, I just don't see much promise in the kid. He seems to lose hope, is a lost cause once he goes on a slump.

This is a load of crap! I remember a few years ago when the Dallas was playing the Hornets, and David West bitch slapped Dirk. Dirk was torn apart by all the experts for not retaliating, they called him soft, said he'd never win a tittle. The so called exports ended up looking really stupid. Dirk proved them all wrong taking on James, Bosh, and Wade. No one gave Dirk, and the Mavericks a chance to beat the Heat, and we all know what happened there.

Hayward is a young 21-22 year old just starting out. At the beginning of the year people were complaining that we should've drafted George over Hayward, now it's he's too soft, and just a roll player. So what if Hayward doesn't feel the need to retaliate. Hayward shows his toughness on the court, the double block vs. Boston comes to mind, also soft players often don't go up against Kobe as a rookie and win, or play good defense. Hayward is young, but anything but soft. People said Dirk as a rookie was soft and nothing but a roll player.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Saying "settle for mediocrity" is funny when talking about fans. Like if we just argue harder on forums and get our panties in a wad about any little thing, that thing will change.

 

[8]

Wow, Hayward is far from soft. The reason West poked him in the ear was because how intense Gordon plays the game. Him not retaliating is just being a smart person and not wanting to get involved in something that could penalize his team or possibly get him suspended.
As a Jazz fan, I will say that I never care to find out how much his trade value is, but I'm sure every team would want him. He's huge for a 2 guard, has a tremendous basketball IQ, good shooter soon to be lights-out, premiere defender, good passer, never takes plays off, and has a crazy work ethic. He will be a great player in the near future for this team.
And he is not soft. Maybe he's not incredibly adept at finishing drives around the basket, but that doesn't mean he is soft.

 

[asian_roger]

G-time is beast, he's a boy in a man's body and appears to be loyal to a small market team like us. "Loyalty" or humbleness is rare these days.... West is just dirty, and Hayward was too classy to acknowledge the guy. I don't think Hayward has reached his potential yet.

 

[Gameface]

Wow, Hayward is far from soft. The reason West poked him in the ear was because how intense Gordon plays the game. Him not retaliating is just being a smart person and not wanting to get involved in something that could penalize his team or possibly get him suspended.
As a Jazz fan, I will say that I never care to find out how much his trade value is, but I'm sure every team would want him. He's huge for a 2 guard, has a tremendous basketball IQ, good shooter soon to be lights-out, premiere defender, good passer, never takes plays off, and has a crazy work ethic. He will be a great player in the near future for this team.
And he is not soft. Maybe he's not incredibly adept at finishing drives around the basket, but that doesn't mean he is soft.

I'm with you. People acting like Gordon is soft, not athletic, has no fire? The guy finds ways to help the Jazz win. He found ways to help Butler win. He is ultra competitive both mentally and physically. Part of the problem with someone so mentally into the game is that he can mind **** himself right out of the game. Hayward is a very good player. No other team will value him as high as he's really worth because the see a skinny white kid. It's funny because racism mostly gets torn apart as soon as it surfaces these days, but treat an elite athlete like he's second rate because he's not black and everyone is pretty much okay with it.

I'd give away 10 Burks before I'd consider trading Hayward.

 

[The Midnight]

Harden: 26.7 minutes, 43.6%, 34.9%, 84.3%, 3.1 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 1.1 steals, 0.3 blocks, 1.29 turnovers, 2.52 personal fouls, 12.2 points
Hayward: 30.5 minutes, 45.6%, 34.6%, 83.2%, 3.5 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 0.8 steals, 0.6 blocks, 1.65 turnovers, 1.61 personal fouls, 11.8 points

Each of their second years there at basically the same age. Very interesting. Hayward's better in the majority of categories.

They also both model their game on Ginobli (Hayward wearing No. 20). Interestring stats.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm with you. People acting like Gordon is soft, not athletic, has no fire? The guy finds ways to help the Jazz win. He found ways to help Butler win. He is ultra competitive both mentally and physically. Part of the problem with someone so mentally into the game is that he can mind **** himself right out of the game. Hayward is a very good player. No other team will value him as high as he's really worth because the see a skinny white kid. It's funny because racism mostly gets torn apart as soon as it surfaces these days, but treat an elite athlete like he's second rate because he's not black and everyone is pretty much okay with it.

I'd give away 10 Burks before I'd consider trading Hayward.

I'd like to see him have chuck a bit more. Even when he is shooting really well from deep, he still barely attempts any per game. I thought it was pretty telling when Ginobili complimented Hayward's game, but said something along the lines that he needs to work on his shooting consistency.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

Saying someone on jazzfanz settles for mediocrity is just stupid. I've never sensed anyone on here ever didn't care if we won a championship or not.

This is a load of crap! I remember a few years ago when the Dallas was playing the Hornets, and David West bitch slapped Dirk. Dirk was torn apart by all the experts for not retaliating, they called him soft, said he'd never win a tittle. The so called exports ended up looking really stupid. Dirk proved them all wrong taking on James, Bosh, and Wade. No one gave Dirk, and the Mavericks a chance to beat the Heat, and we all know what happened there.

Hayward is a young 21-22 year old just starting out. At the beginning of the year people were complaining that we should've drafted George over Hayward, now it's he's too soft, and just a roll player. So what if Hayward doesn't feel the need to retaliate. Hayward shows his toughness on the court, the double block vs. Boston comes to mind, also soft players often don't go up against Kobe as a rookie and win, or play good defense. Hayward is young, but anything but soft. People said Dirk as a rookie was soft and nothing but a roll player.

Wanna bet on that? There was atleast a fourth of this board, if not half wanting to tank.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Wanna bet on that? There was atleast a fourth of this board, if not half wanting to tank.

Link then!