Does Lauri Get Traded?

[idiot]

Question for someone who's thought about superswaps more than I have: Are the component parts of a superswap tradable? Let's take an example. Suppose you made a trade with the Warriors that included a superswap in 2029 (we own both Cavs and Wolves picks then, don't we)?

Could you trade the Wolves and Cavs picks for other assets? If so, we might imagine a scenario where the following draft picks result based on the Jazz, Warriors, Cavs, Wolves finishes:
Jazz -- 15th pick
Warriors -- 20th pick
Cavs (now owned by team A): 3rd pick
Wolves (now owned by team B) 25th pick

In this superswap + subsequent trade scenario, who ends up with which picks? How would the language associated with the trades to Teams A & B convey this?

 

[cctrackstar]

i hate this. you would think with all of the interest that our team would realize that he is more valuable to us than anybody else, but we have crows for management that jump onto anything sparkly and new. i don't know who to root for these days because they keep getting traded away the second they have value. i also think that teams are stupid by falling into the trap of bidding against each other until they mortgage their future for five years for one player who might or might not fit into their team. sadly, the way this is looking he will be traded, and the jazz will get good value for him, but i don't like it and i can't feel any positive feelings for the team until this stupid tank storm is over and the team decides to actually play competitive basketball again.

 

[Hedda Gambler]

i hate this. you would think with all of the interest that our team would realize that he is more valuable to us than anybody else, but we have crows for management that jump onto anything sparkly and new. i don't know who to root for these days because they keep getting traded away the second they have value. i also think that teams are stupid by falling into the trap of bidding against each other until they mortgage their future for five years for one player who might or might not fit into their team. sadly, the way this is looking he will be traded, and the jazz will get good value for him, but i don't like it and i can't feel any positive feelings for the team until this stupid tank storm is over and the team decides to actually play competitive basketball again.

Do you remember how fun it was when Donovan broke through on his rookie season? How fun it was to root for a contending team built on two guys we discovered? If we cash in now and have a bit of luck, we could be watching a bunch of kiss that we drafted turn into the long time foundation of the next great Jazz team. I want to watch that.

 

[Step-Back Lauri]

Do you remember how fun it was when Donovan broke through on his rookie season? How fun it was to root for a contending team built on two guys we discovered? If we cash in now and have a bit of luck, we could be watching a bunch of kiss that we drafted turn into the long time foundation of the next great Jazz team. I want to watch that.

And I'm just random Finnish Lauri fan, who can say I'd get bigger pleasure if he managed to build a culture in Jazz and end his prime by taking them at least into conference finals, or more. Not opposed with anything that will happen as long he get playoffs run in his prime. It will be tight to achieve it with current Jazz, but that'd be fun!

 

[FalseFlagg K]

i hate this. you would think with all of the interest that our team would realize that he is more valuable to us than anybody else, but we have crows for management that jump onto anything sparkly and new. i don't know who to root for these days because they keep getting traded away the second they have value. i also think that teams are stupid by falling into the trap of bidding against each other until they mortgage their future for five years for one player who might or might not fit into their team. sadly, the way this is looking he will be traded, and the jazz will get good value for him, but i don't like it and i can't feel any positive feelings for the team until this stupid tank storm is over and the team decides to actually play competitive basketball again.

yep i felt like that after Simone got traded and preparing to feel like that again if this goes thrgouh. If Lauri gets traded i'll be checked out until they've decided on a couple of players they're keeping long term or they stop this musical chairs thing If he's traded there's gonna be 5 years of sh1te.

I'd really like to watch him and Sexton do what they can with the kids this year, we wouldn't even have to tank deliberately.

 

[Hedda Gambler]

And I'm just random Finnish Lauri fan, who can say I'd get bigger pleasure if he managed to build a culture in Jazz and end his prime by taking them at least into conference finals, or more. Not opposed with anything that will happen as long he get playoffs run in his prime. It will be tight to achieve it with current Jazz, but that'd be fun!

Absolutely! As a Norwegian Lauri is definitely easy to cheer for. If he is up for a tear down this year with him being the only good vet,I would love that.

 

[cctrackstar]

Do you remember how fun it was when Donovan broke through on his rookie season? How fun it was to root for a contending team built on two guys we discovered? If we cash in now and have a bit of luck, we could be watching a bunch of kiss that we drafted turn into the long time foundation of the next great Jazz team. I want to watch that.

Oh, Donovan? you mean the guy who we traded away for a ton of random stuff, which kick started the tank? again, i hate this.

 

[JimLes]

I just wish the Jazz would stop being a farm team for others. It's been 20+ years since Stockton and Malone and I feel like every time the Jazz have developed some good players, they couldn't trade them away for future assets quickly enough. I just wanna watch one single Jazz team go through a natural life cycle. It doesn't matter if they win a championship or keep losing in the first round, I just want to see another good player spend his career there.

I wanna be able to buy a ****ing jersey I will still want to wear 3-4 years later. I wanna be able to pick a profile photo on this forum and not feel like I need 3 backup ones over the next few seasons just in case.

I don't watch college basketball because it's a giant load of crap in so many ways, but probably the biggest reason is the constant turnover. I don't want the Jazz to be like that just to satisfy the vanity of a man who built one championship team in 30 years.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I just wish the Jazz would stop being a farm team for others. It's been 20+ years since Stockton and Malone and I feel like every time the Jazz have developed some good players, they couldn't trade them away for future assets quickly enough. I just wanna watch one single Jazz team go through a natural life cycle. It doesn't matter if they win a championship or keep losing in the first round, I just want to see another good player spend his career there.

I wanna be able to buy a ****ing jersey I will still want to wear 3-4 years later. I wanna be able to pick a profile photo on this forum and not feel like I need 3 backup ones over the next few seasons just in case.

I don't watch college basketball because it's a giant load of crap in so many ways, but probably the biggest reason is the constant turnover. I don't want the Jazz to be like that just to satisfy the vanity of a man who built one championship team in 30 years.

Such is the life of a small market team. It’s not like the jazz just grooms them to trade them. Mitchell wanted out, Deron wanted out, Boozer we held on to and he signed with the bulls. Hayward we held on to and he signed with the hornets. With Gobert we did what was best for business, and got a godfather offer or we would’ve kept him but knew we were losing Mitchell. It was time to rebuild. You act like the franchise is this impatient, impulsive scatterbrained franchise. This is just what it’s like to be a small market team.

With Markkanen they tried to get Bridges, and had they gotten him I heard they thought they could also get George here. Now teams are interested in Markkanen. The Jazz don’t want to trade him but everyone has their price and it’s a steep one. By trading Markkanen they could secure their future. For example the Spurs, thought to be interested in Lauri own the Hawks first which looks to be top five in the lottery. We could potentially own four picks in a crazy deep, strong draft.

 

[sip]

I just wish the Jazz would stop being a farm team for others. It's been 20+ years since Stockton and Malone and I feel like every time the Jazz have developed some good players, they couldn't trade them away for future assets quickly enough. I just wanna watch one single Jazz team go through a natural life cycle. It doesn't matter if they win a championship or keep losing in the first round, I just want to see another good player spend his career there.

I wanna be able to buy a ****ing jersey I will still want to wear 3-4 years later. I wanna be able to pick a profile photo on this forum and not feel like I need 3 backup ones over the next few seasons just in case.

I don't watch college basketball because it's a giant load of crap in so many ways, but probably the biggest reason is the constant turnover. I don't want the Jazz to be like that just to satisfy the vanity of a man who built one championship team in 30 years.

Thank God the front office doesn't think like you. Nothing is worse than being stuck in no man's land and that is exactly where the Mitchell and Gobert team had cemented itself.

 

[anakq]

If Lauri has any integrity, he's not writing an extension after Ainge is done holding these bidding wars. It's a clear indicator that he will be used as a trade piece in the future, no matter what the FO tells him. Considering the timelines, by the time Utah is ready to contend, his descent has likely already begun and would get traded regardless.

So the answer to the original question is yes, he will get traded eventually anyway. And for his sake, I hope he gets traded before he's eligible to extend so he doesn't need to be the one who makes the difficult but correct choice for his career that is not extending. Unless his biggest goal is to advance on the most games play without a single playoff game ladder, which would be a disappointment.

 

[TheStormofWar]

If Lauri has any integrity, he's not writing an extension after Ainge is done holding these bidding wars. It's a clear indicator that he will be used as a trade piece in the future, no matter what the FO tells him. Considering the timelines, by the time Utah is ready to contend, his descent has likely already begun and would get traded regardless.

So the answer to the original question is yes, he will get traded eventually anyway. And for his sake, I hope he gets traded before he's eligible to extend so he doesn't need to be the one who makes the difficult but correct choice for his career that is not extending. Unless his biggest goal is to advance on the most games play without a single playoff game ladder, which would be a disappointment.

Eh, if he's getting traded, he may as well squeeze every last cent from Utah before he's dealt. His contract follows him regardless, so may as well make the best of it.