DOL on 1280--The Consequences of Standing Pat

[♪alt13]

They improve more by upgrading Booker.
Why? Because they've already replaced Ingles in the rotation with Alec Burks. But we are SCREWED if a big goes down. Then what do we do? Play Cooley or Motum (or Pleiss) 30+ mins.?

If a wing goes down, we have Ingles and Millsap as the deep backups. Both are serviceable and we could survive a short-term injury to Hood, Hayward or Burks. Gobert aside, it is generally MUCH harder to find a serviceable big late in the draft and MUCH easier to find a wing. And the same holds true for free agency where bigs who can simply walk and chew gum at the same time command a king's ransom.

You are either an idiot with reading comprehension problems or an *** hole that doesn't bother reading before responding. I have already conceded twice in this thread(my original post was the first) that we need injury insurance.

Stop right there. With Burks and Hood healthy, the perimeter play is improved immeasurably. Furthermore, grabbing a known commodity that addresses an area of need is the best way to address it. The Jazz need a player exactly like Carroll and this is pretty much their last chance to splurge. And he happens to have played here, worked with some of our coaches, and even goes out of his way to show love to the fans here. It's too perfect.

On your other point, bigs don't take any longer to develop than anyone else. Bigs that are good are also had at a premium on the market and the Jazz aren't much of a destination anyway (or so it is said). Lastly, the nature of what big men do is changing RIGHT NOW and this draft's crop exemplifies that more than any other. If the Jazz want to find a longterm solution to the big rotation and they want him to space the floor, there is no better opportunity than this draft. Otherwise, what options are they left with? Developing Booker as a shooter? Prying Olynyk from the Celtics (who is not great but who is also playing for a team that has no reason to get rid of him)? True bigs that space the floor aren't the rarest thing in the world, but they're still pretty rare, everyone (smart) wants one, and no one wants to part with one. A true big that spaces the floor AND plays + D is like a unicorn.

Ultimately, the Jazz need more spacing, more perimeter D, and a backup big. However they want to address those things, fine, but my stance on how to do that makes the most sense to me.

quick thought experiment

1)Imagine a situation where Snyder would put 3 bigs and one wing on the floor.

2)Imagine a situation where Snyder would put 3 wings and one big on the floor.

Which scenario sounds more likely?

Conclusion: There are more wing mins than big mins in this league. It is easier to get by with a rotation of 3 bigs(+ injury insurance) than it is to get by with 3 wings. Look at the teams that are winning chips. Are they heavy on wings or bigs?

There is more value added by improving our wing depth than our big depth. We need injury insurance at the Big where as on the wing we need to improve our depth chart now. I don't know how that isn't obvious.

 

[karl malone]

I can't imagine any situation where Snyder would only put 4 players on the floor.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Something I'm not seeing in the wing depth discussion is the fact that Exum can also play significant minutes at the wing if needed. Without Exum ever spending time at the wing, the Jazz are deep at the wing. With him, they have more than enough.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Alt...
My point remains...we HAVE injury insurance at the wings already; we don't at the bigs. We have 3 starting quality wings and only 2 starting bigs. So either way, we need a Big more than a wing.

 

[Carbon13]

Alt...
My point remains...we HAVE injury insurance at the wings already; we don't at the bigs. We have 3 starting quality wings and only 2 starting bigs. So either way, we need a Big more than a wing.

I can agree with that. The ideal would be a 3/4 hybrid.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I also said to add another wing but ok.

 

[♪alt13]

I can't imagine any situation where Snyder would only put 4 players on the floor.

lol

 

[Coach Ellis]

Talent is talent. In the draft, the best plan is to get the most talented players you can find and coach them up. Fill holes in free agency. The Jazz need to add more depth at C, but they have a solid and young roster right now that needs to develop and play together. They can add anyone from the draft - at any position - and have it improve the team onthe court. Maybe even as soon as this upcoming season. That's all I really want. For the Jazz to scout their asses off and identify the kid that's going to be special - then go get them. Period.

 

[mellow]

I can't imagine any situation where Snyder would only put 4 players on the floor.

What if a the win score for a four player combination was higher than for any 5 player combinations?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What if a the win score for a four player combination was higher than for any 5 player combinations?

I believe we utilized a 4 man defense for much of the year last year until a certain trade happened.

 

[Jeffrey32]

I disagree. We need depth on the wing and we don't necessarily need another big other than injury insurance. We need more shooters more than we need another big.

I don't think a 3-man big rotation where the big off the bench is barely 6'8" means they're set at with the bigs. Even Golden State with their notorious and successful small ball has 7 bigs including: 3 seven-footers, 3 6'10" PFs, and a 6'7" utility PF.