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DOMA and Prop 8 bite the dust

BabyPeterzz

BabyPeterzz

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Good riddance.

Human decency wins. Again. Like we all said it would. Again.

Congratulations to all my LGBT friends and family, and those on this site.

Love FTW. **** the haters.
 
Glad it was struck down. However I strongly reject the notion that all oponents to gay marriage do so based on hate and bigotry. That is as foolish as those that say that allowing gay marriage will destroy our society and confuse the genders.
 
Stoked said:
Glad it was struck down. However I strongly reject the notion that all oponents to gay marriage do so based on hate and bigotry. That is as foolish as those that say that allowing gay marriage will destroy our society and confuse the genders.
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And I strongly reject your opinion. USA.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
And I strongly reject your opinion. USA.
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Now, I'm with you in celebrating the decision, but I think a lot of people reject gay marriage out of conformity, either to cultural norms or their religious beliefs. I think some of these folks oppose gay marriage out of fear of rejection within their social group more than out of hate for gay people.
 
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...act-to-DOMA-Prop-8-Supreme-Court-rulings.html

“By ruling that supporters of Proposition 8 lacked standing to bring this case to court, the Supreme Court has highlighted troubling questions about how our democratic and judicial system operates,” said LDS spokesman Michael Otterson. “Many Californians will wonder if there is something fundamentally wrong when their government will not defend or protect a popular vote that reflects the views of a majority of their citizens.”
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I get what is being said here... And yes... Where is the balance? The Judicial Branch sometimes seems to wield so much power! Yet...

I can't help but to feel like this is a poor argument.

"Well well, the majority voted for it so there! That's Democracy! Neener neener neener!"

I can't help but wonder if Mormons were happy with the Democracy being manifested as they were chased around all back east by "the majority?"

Would Mormons be happy if "the majority" voted to expel them from the Bible Belt?

Would this spokesperson be down if missions were kicked out of an area/prevented to proselyte by "the majority?"

Am I missing something? Because... If I am, I'd like to be corrected.
 
pickledXgrandma said:
Good day for America. I wish they could just legalize it federally already.
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I think they eventually will but in my eyes it is not the solution. Government (local, state, federal...) should not be in the marriage business in the first place. All governments should only be able to grant civil unions. It should be open to any two individuals of legal age that are not related. It should grant all the rights that a marriage does now. Only a religion/denomination...should be able to perform a marriage. The marriage should be recognized under government as exactly equal to a civil union.

To me it is just one more case where government is sticking their nose where it doesn't belong.
 
The Thriller said:
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...act-to-DOMA-Prop-8-Supreme-Court-rulings.html



I get what is being said here... And yes... Where is the balance? The Judicial Branch sometimes seems to wield so much power! Yet...

I can't help but to feel like this is a poor argument.

"Well well, the majority voted for it so there! That's Democracy! Neener neener neener!"

I can't help but wonder if Mormons were happy with the Democracy being manifested as they were chased around all back east by "the majority?"

Would Mormons be happy if "the majority" voted to expel them from the Bible Belt?

Would this spokesperson be down if missions were kicked out of an area/prevented to proselyte by "the majority?"

To me, I could be wrong... But to me, this seems like a completely sore sport loser attitude. In fact, the comment made by that spokesperson actually bugs me a lot more than I thought it would.
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It demonstrates ignorance of our system, which is not "democratic." We live in a constitutional republic. The constitution, with its guarantee of individual rights, is a protection provided to individuals against the desires of the majority. Voting can accomplish a lot of things. One thing it's not supposed to be able to do is give people permission to violate the rights of individuals.

Franklin said (paraphrased): True democracy is two wolves and a chicken voting on what to have for lunch.
 
scootsy said:
also congrats to all those polyamorous and polygamous friends/family, or those who frequent this site.
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Why congrats to them? They're still unfairly persecuted, are they not?
 
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