Don/Rudy ESPN Article

[LoPo]

I don't think the relationship is fixed, but it also doesn't seem broken. If they can work it out, it seems fine.

I still don't know how or why some of you are so ill towards Donovan. He hasn't said anything badly about Rudy at all through this whole process. When Rudy did what he did (and we still don't know what he did behind closed doors), Donovan let it slip that he was upset at Rudy. That's a completely normal reaction in very abnormal times.

If you and a family member get in a fight during Thanksgiving, it might be awkward until Christmas if you don't see each other in between. Rudy and Donovan had an issue at Thanksgiving. If they still have an issue after meeting back up her soon (Christmas), then start picking sides, spreading rumors, etc.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think the relationship is fixed, but it also doesn't seem broken. If they can work it out, it seems fine.

I still don't know how or why some of you are so ill towards Donovan. He hasn't said anything badly about Rudy at all through this whole process. When Rudy did what he did (and we still don't know what he did behind closed doors), Donovan let it slip that he was upset at Rudy. That's a completely normal reaction in very abnormal times.

If you and a family member get in a fight during Thanksgiving, it might be awkward until Christmas if you don't see each other in between. Rudy and Donovan had an issue at Thanksgiving. If they still have an issue after meeting back up her soon (Christmas), then start picking sides, spreading rumors, etc.

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This is something I am well versed in because of my wife's family. Arguments happen but when there is dialogue right after things can be smoothed over. If there is underlying tension then every issue gets magnified and every time there is a bump in the road it has potential to blow up. It seems like they are going for the quick fix here rather than really diving in and working on the relationship.

I love DM... he's great and super mature. The cardinal rule is to rebuke in private... he indicated there was an issue on national TV and sent some stuff to Woj through his agent... that's not great. He also stonewalled Rudy... that's not great.

It can be worked through but they shouldn't wait for the bubble. In an environment like that issues could intensify. My brother-in-law was struggling for money and went to work for his dad for a while... they have always been oil and water... I told them it was a super ****** idea. They have a lot of long standing tension and issues between them... couple months go by without a major issue... then a small bump hits and holy balls the **** hit the fan. Months later they still don't like each other and its still awkward between them.

 

[LoPo]

This is something I am well versed in because of my wife's family. Arguments happen but when there is dialogue right after things can be smoothed over. If there is underlying tension then every issue gets magnified and every time there is a bump in the road it has potential to blow up. It seems like they are going for the quick fix here rather than really diving in and working on the relationship.

I love DM... he's great and super mature. The cardinal rule is to rebuke in private... he indicated there was an issue on national TV and sent some stuff to Woj through his agent... that's not great. He also stonewalled Rudy... that's not great.

It can be worked through but they shouldn't wait for the bubble. In an environment like that issues could intensify. My brother-in-law was struggling for money and went to work for his dad for a while... they have always been oil and water... I told them it was a super ****** idea. They have a lot of long standing tension and issues between them... couple months go by without a major issue... then a small bump hits and holy balls the **** hit the fan. Months later they still don't like each other and its still awkward between them.

I see what you're saying, but I don't think it's to that level. This isn't quite a family building hostility thing. Donovan saying he was upset with Rudy wasn't that big a deal for me. He didn't say what Rudy did. He didn't whine about it publicly. He simply leaked to Woj that he was unhappy with a teammate. I think more is being made of that than needs to be.

To me, Rudy nagging at teammates was going to wear down relationships more than anything else. Rudy even acknowledges how much of an ahole he is. To me, that's more of an issue than anything that happened during this Covid time. Nobody likes playing with a high maintenance teammate.

I'm not worried about it really. If they cant work it out, we will keep one and move on. The good thing is that both of them are tradeable this offseason. Its not like we are close to losing somebody for nothing over this.



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[Handlogten's Heros]

I see what you're saying, but I don't think it's to that level. This isn't quite a family building hostility thing. Donovan saying he was upset with Rudy wasn't that big a deal for me. He didn't say what Rudy did. He didn't whine about it publicly. He simply leaked to Woj that he was unhappy with a teammate. I think more is being made of that than needs to be.

To me, Rudy nagging at teammates was going to wear down relationships more than anything else. Rudy even acknowledges how much of an ahole he is. To me, that's more of an issue than anything that happened during this Covid time. Nobody likes playing with a high maintenance teammate.

I'm not worried about it really. If they cant work it out, we will keep one and move on. The good thing is that both of them are tradeable this offseason. Its not like we are close to losing somebody for nothing over this.



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Its the productive ahole type though. I've had bosses or coaches I didn't like because they drive hard and care a lot. It's similar to MJ, Kobe, CP3 to me... it wears on teammates at times. He seems like he is self aware and will hopefully improve... not sure on DM. So I don't think its HIGH maintenance... he wants some maintenance though. DM touches the ball a ton so he controls things... if the ball was moving away from him and he thought he could benefit the team and himself then I promise his teammates would hear about it.

Leaking to Woj that you are unhappy is similar to talking **** behind someone's back... especially when Rudy was reaching out and DM was stonewalling him. If you are upset talk to him... if you are super upset and don't want to talk to him then don't talk to anyone. It violates trust that is hard to regain.

DM is a great dude... way more mature and better than I was at that age for sure. He botched this relationship a bit and I think it is him that needs to reach out and mend things. Rudy is clearly apologetic. I think right now they are on a path that leads to a breakup... need to get it back on track... in a high stress, new, environment. They could figure it out... I hope like hell they do.

 

[oneye]

Its the productive ahole type though. I've had bosses or coaches I didn't like because they drive hard and care a lot. It's similar to MJ, Kobe, CP3 to me... it wears on teammates at times. He seems like he is self aware and will hopefully improve... not sure on DM. So I don't think its HIGH maintenance... he wants some maintenance though. DM touches the ball a ton so he controls things... if the ball was moving away from him and he thought he could benefit the team and himself then I promise his teammates would hear about it.

Leaking to Woj that you are unhappy is similar to talking **** behind someone's back... especially when Rudy was reaching out and DM was stonewalling him. If you are upset talk to him... if you are super upset and don't want to talk to him then don't talk to anyone. It violates trust that is hard to regain.

DM is a great dude... way more mature and better than I was at that age for sure. He botched this relationship a bit and I think it is him that needs to reach out and mend things. Rudy is clearly apologetic. I think right now they are on a path that leads to a breakup... need to get it back on track... in a high stress, new, environment. They could figure it out... I hope like hell they do.

It would be awkward to be on a plane together right now as this story hit the web lol.

 

[Miggs]

This is something I am well versed in because of my wife's family. Arguments happen but when there is dialogue right after things can be smoothed over. If there is underlying tension then every issue gets magnified and every time there is a bump in the road it has potential to blow up. It seems like they are going for the quick fix here rather than really diving in and working on the relationship.

I love DM... he's great and super mature. The cardinal rule is to rebuke in private... he indicated there was an issue on national TV and sent some stuff to Woj through his agent... that's not great. He also stonewalled Rudy... that's not great.

It can be worked through but they shouldn't wait for the bubble. In an environment like that issues could intensify. My brother-in-law was struggling for money and went to work for his dad for a while... they have always been oil and water... I told them it was a super ****** idea. They have a lot of long standing tension and issues between them... couple months go by without a major issue... then a small bump hits and holy balls the **** hit the fan. Months later they still don't like each other and its still awkward between them.

DM is super mature? Lmao. No.

 

[Miggs]

One of the most important parts of one’s maturity is emotional maturity and Don has shown through all this that by choosing not to talk about it or reach back out to Rudy despite Gobert’s many attempts early on, that Don is butthurt and continues to be butthurt by it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

DM is super mature? Lmao. No.

One of the most important parts of one’s maturity is emotional maturity and Don has shown through all this that by choosing not to talk about it or reach back out to Rudy despite Gobert’s many attempts early on is that Don is butthurt and continues to be butthurt by it.

He's almost 24... one bad relationship/interaction doesn't say everything about a guy's maturity/character. There is the possibility that Rudy did something behind closed doors that was more egregious than touching some mics.

I wish he handled it differently... I hope he really tries to meet Rudy half way and that he improves... either way I still think he's a very mature young man.

 

[oneye]

He's almost 24... one bad relationship/interaction doesn't say everything about a guy's maturity/character. There is the possibility that Rudy did something behind closed doors that was more egregious than touching some mics.

I wish he handled it differently... I hope he really tries to meet Rudy half way and that he improves... either way I still think he's a very mature young man.

Changing his profile pics over some social media comments and lashing out over that is also pretty immature.

I’ll also say this, Rudy shouldn’t have agreed to do this article and poked at the issue again as well. Why do this? Just decline to comment on it and go play basketball at this point. All this does is agitate the situation again and I’m sure annoy Donovan further.

 

[Miggs]

Changing his profile pics over some social media comments and lashing out over that is also pretty immature.

I’ll also say this, Rudy shouldn’t have agreed to do this article and poked at the issue again as well. Why do this? Just decline to comment on it and go play basketball at this point. All this does is agitate the situation again and I’m sure annoy Donovan further.

I don’t agree with your comments about Rudy. He didn’t say anything bad if anything takes the blame and admits he’s a jerkoff.

 

[Miggs]

He's almost 24... one bad relationship/interaction doesn't say everything about a guy's maturity/character. There is the possibility that Rudy did something behind closed doors that was more egregious than touching some mics.

I wish he handled it differently... I hope he really tries to meet Rudy half way and that he improves... either way I still think he's a very mature young man.

Agree to disagree. I see his “maturity” as scripted branding.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Agree to disagree. I see his “maturity” as scripted branding.

I can see why someone would think that... I tend to think he is really genuine but is prepared and deliberate. Even if it is scripted branding I think it would be a mature thing to plan what you want your brand to be and execute it to the extent he has.

I see your point though.